seeking the lost Posted June 20, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 496 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 209 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/15/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted June 20, 2023 44 minutes ago, truth7t7 said: There are (Two) resurrections on the (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second Death) resurrection has no power. 1.) (First Resurrection) To Life 2.) (Second Death) Resurrection To Damnation Revelation 20:6KJV Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below I need a clarification of the text. You have said that the first resurrection is of the just. Let us take a closer look at the text. Rev. 20: 4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. The first resurrection is clearly defined. Three things define this resurrection, content, time, and purpose. The content, "I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands;". This is a closed set. No one that is not listed is raised at this time. The time is right before the millennium and the purpose is to reign with Christ. "they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." Those that are raised in the first resurrection do not go up in the air. They are raised to reign on the earth. This way they do not have to make a big U-turn. The next resurrection content is clearly identified by content and time. Rev. 20: 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. The rest of the dead includes everyone not included in the first resurrection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking the lost Posted June 20, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 496 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 209 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/15/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Montana Marv said: All the Just and Righteous from all generations enter into the Resurrection for the Just or First Resurrection That is not what the text says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth7t7 Posted June 20, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,749 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, seeking the lost said: I need a clarification of the text. You have said that the first resurrection is of the just. Let us take a closer look at the text. Rev. 20: 4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. The first resurrection is clearly defined. Three things define this resurrection, content, time, and purpose. The content, "I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands;". This is a closed set. No one that is not listed is raised at this time. The time is right before the millennium and the purpose is to reign with Christ. "they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." Those that are raised in the first resurrection do not go up in the air. They are raised to reign on the earth. This way they do not have to make a big U-turn. The next resurrection content is clearly identified by content and time. Rev. 20: 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. The rest of the dead includes everyone not included in the first resurrection. The problem is, you believe and teach that a literal 1,000 year kingdom on this earth is seen in Revelation 20:1-6 "Wrong" Jesus returns in fire and final judgment (The End) there won't be a Millennial Kingdom on this earth following as many claim Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below? 1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom? 2.) Physical Earthly Throne? 3.) Physical Mortal Humans? The Above Claims (Don't Exist) Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ 100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time 2 Peter 3:8KJV 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. Revelation 20:1-6KJV 1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Edited June 20, 2023 by truth7t7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted June 20, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,135 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted June 20, 2023 53 minutes ago, seeking the lost said: That is not what the text says. So the Just from all generations go into the 2nd Resurrection (for the Unjust) In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking the lost Posted June 20, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 496 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 209 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/15/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted June 20, 2023 13 hours ago, truth7t7 said: The problem is, you believe and teach that a literal 1,000 year kingdom on this earth is seen in Revelation 20:1-6 "Wrong" Jesus returns in fire and final judgment (The End) there won't be a Millennial Kingdom on this earth following as many claim Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below? 1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom? 2.) Physical Earthly Throne? 3.) Physical Mortal Humans? The Above Claims (Don't Exist) Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ 100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time 2 Peter 3:8KJV 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. Revelation 20:1-6KJV 1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Do you realize that by saying there is no literal Thousand-year reign on earth you may be taking away from the writings of this book? The nature of the Millenium is often perverted but there is a record of this on the earth. The first resurrection that you have pointed out is limited to those that have been beheaded. They do not go up and there is not a resurrection of all the righteous at this point. This being said it must also be noted that the rapture has not happened yet. The martyrs reign with Jesus on the earth for a thousand years. They are joined by the elect for whom the days were shortened. These are natural people that marry and have children. Satan is bound during this time. If there were a rapture before this time and all are changed then the final test is meaningless. If everyone on earth has participated in the first resurrection and have become like the angels then the testing is meaningless. Those that are part of the first resurrection will not be subject to the second death. The text indicates there is a huge number that will be affected by the great deception. The rest of the dead resurrection at the end of the thousand years is the time that the dead in Christ are raised and the time of the rapture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth7t7 Posted June 20, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,749 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, seeking the lost said: Do you realize that by saying there is no literal Thousand-year reign on earth you may be taking away from the writings of this book? Do you realize that teaching there will be a future thousand year kingdom on this earth, that you may be adding to the scripture? There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ (Behold, I Make All Things New) 2 Peter 3:10-13KJV 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. Revelation 21:1-5KJV 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. Matthew 24:29-30KJV 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 1 Corinthians 3:13KJV 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. Luke 17:29-30KJV 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV 7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; Malachi 3:2KJV 2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap: Psalm 46:6KJV 6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted. Psalm 50:3KJV 3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him. Psalm 97:5KJV 5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth. Isaiah 66:15KJV 15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. Zechariah 14:12KJV 12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. Nahum 1:5-6KJV 5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein. 6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him. Revelation 20:9KJV 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. Edited June 20, 2023 by truth7t7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking the lost Posted June 20, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 496 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 209 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/15/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted June 20, 2023 3 hours ago, truth7t7 said: Do you realize that teaching there will be a future thousand year kingdom on this earth, that you may be adding to the scripture? There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ (Behold, I Make All Things New) 2 Peter 3:10-13KJV 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. Revelation 21:1-5KJV 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. Matthew 24:29-30KJV 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 1 Corinthians 3:13KJV 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. Luke 17:29-30KJV 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV 7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; Malachi 3:2KJV 2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap: Psalm 46:6KJV 6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted. Psalm 50:3KJV 3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him. Psalm 97:5KJV 5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth. Isaiah 66:15KJV 15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. Zechariah 14:12KJV 12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. Nahum 1:5-6KJV 5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein. 6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him. Revelation 20:9KJV 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. The text is the final word not personal opinions. Jesus will come as the conquering king in the days of vindication. This is when the tares are taken out and the floor is thougally purged. Everyone who does not have the mark of God will be cast into the winepress of the wrath of God. The wheat continues to grow for a thousand years. At the end of the thousand years, 2 Peter comes into play. 2 Peter 3:10-13KJV 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. The purpose of the rapture is to take those who are alive and remain faithful to the new heavens and the new earth. This is the time that the rest of the dead are raised. All are raised at this time and the sheep and goats are separated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth7t7 Posted June 21, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,749 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, seeking the lost said: Jesus will come as the conquering king in the days of vindication. This is when the tares are taken out and the floor is thougally purged. Everyone who does not have the mark of God will be cast into the winepress of the wrath of God. The wheat continues to grow for a thousand years. "The harvest is the end of this world", the wheat doesn't continue to grow in your imaginary millennial kingdom on this earth Matthew 13:38-40KJV 38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. Edited June 21, 2023 by truth7t7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking the lost Posted June 23, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 496 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 209 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/15/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted June 23, 2023 On 6/20/2023 at 8:47 PM, truth7t7 said: "The harvest is the end of this world", the wheat doesn't continue to grow in your imaginary millennial kingdom on this earth Matthew 13:38-40KJV 38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. You have such an interesting take on scripture. Two questions for you. What does your timeline and what is your hope? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth7t7 Posted June 23, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,749 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, seeking the lost said: You have such an interesting take on scripture. Two questions for you. What does your timeline and what is your hope? My hope is in Jesus Christ and the eternal kingdom in the New Heaven and Earth that follows his return My timeline understanding is the first visible sign will be when a future "Command/Call" goes out in Jerusalem to start building the wall and street, this starts the future 70 weeks of Daniel In the 70th literal week the antichrist is revealed to the world as Messiah-God and the abomination takes place At this time Revelation Chapter 11 in the prophets returned or the two witnesses that are revealed, and they stand before the antichrist bringing literal plagues upon this world for 3.5 years, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt The two witnesses are killed after 3.5 years and lay in a Jerusalem street, they are raised to heaven as the final hours of earths existence unfolds, when the 7th Angel/Trump sounds the Lord returns in fire and final judgement, dissolving this earth by fire (The End) Jesus Is The Lord Edited June 23, 2023 by truth7t7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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