B Judson Posted July 13, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 145 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 38 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/10/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) None the less, the warnings and instructions Jesus gave to the 7 churches in Revelation.... would have disqualified the catholics from being considered righteous by the Lord. Such as leaving your first love.... Jesus comes before all, so this disqualifies catholics from being in right standing before the Lord. The doctrines they espouse certainly do not put Jesus first and foremost in importance.... They have Jesus behind mary and the pope, and their local parrish priest. Edited July 13, 2023 by B Judson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vine Abider Posted July 13, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 6 Topic Count: 207 Topics Per Day: 0.36 Content Count: 3,501 Content Per Day: 6.14 Reputation: 2,352 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/25/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/2024 Author Share Posted July 13, 2023 2 hours ago, B Judson said: None the less, the warnings and instructions Jesus gave to the 7 churches in Revelation.... would have disqualified the catholics from being considered righteous by the Lord. Such as leaving your first love.... Jesus comes before all, so this disqualifies catholics from being in right standing before the Lord. The doctrines they espouse certainly do not put Jesus first and foremost in importance.... They have Jesus behind mary and the pope, and their local parrish priest. A few things I could say (and I don't necessarily disagree) . . . but let's not go any further on this thread with this. You are welcome to start another thread, just keep it civil and remember to be as wise as a serpent, yet gentle as a dove. (Matt 10:16) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamL Posted July 13, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 5,159 Content Per Day: 1.48 Reputation: 2,568 Days Won: 4 Joined: 11/06/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/01/1950 Share Posted July 13, 2023 I found the China reference: " Leaders of China’s state-controlled official ‘Three-Self churches’ have declared their “major task” of the next few years is to “change the face of world Christianity” by exporting a communist version of the faith. ... According to Bitter Winter, the plan of China’s Communist Party (the CCP) is to ‘export internationally’ what it calls “Sinicized” Protestant Christianity, which is a version of the faith the CCP insists is followed by pastors of the official Three-Self Church. A report on the website of the China Christian Council, which fronts the Protestant Three-Self church, says Pastor Wu Wei, its President, told the conference: “The Sinicization of Christianity is an important embodiment and expression of the adaptation of Christianity to socialist society.” In his reflection, Zhang Chunhua (not his real name) comments “Sinicization” does not mean adopting a Chinese style, language, and aesthetics, it means adopting the style, language or ideology of the CCP.” " https://premierchristian.news/us/news/article/we-will-change-the-face-of-world-christianity-china-s-official-church-to-export-communist-creed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farouk Posted July 13, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,670 Content Per Day: 12.22 Reputation: 3,397 Days Won: 31 Joined: 11/18/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Vine Abider said: A few things I could say (and I don't necessarily disagree) . . . but let's not go any further on this thread with this. You are welcome to start another thread, just keep it civil and in remember to be as wise as a serpent, yet gentle as a dove. (Matt 10:16) @Vine Abider Re. gentleness: I think Philippians is a very gentle, glowing book.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farouk Posted July 13, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,670 Content Per Day: 12.22 Reputation: 3,397 Days Won: 31 Joined: 11/18/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted July 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Vine Abider said: Yes, the Romish church system was brought up as a matter of the establishment of the clergy-laity system. That goes to the heart of this thread's topic - why certain ones are so apparent in much of Christendom's gatherings, while the bulk of the members of the body don't really function all that much in these gatherings. So while the RCC wasn't established until a couple centuries after John's writings, many commentators say that there is a prophetic nature to the letters to the 7 churches. And a number would say Thyatira mirrored the practices you speak of. Of course this is correct, but the Lord knew what was coming. That section of Revelation talks about the deeds of the Nicolaitans, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vine Abider Posted July 13, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 6 Topic Count: 207 Topics Per Day: 0.36 Content Count: 3,501 Content Per Day: 6.14 Reputation: 2,352 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/25/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/2024 Author Share Posted July 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, farouk said: That section of Revelation talks about the deeds of the Nicolaitans, right? Yes - Nicolaitans mentioned twice in chapter 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farouk Posted July 13, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,670 Content Per Day: 12.22 Reputation: 3,397 Days Won: 31 Joined: 11/18/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Vine Abider said: Yes - Nicolaitans mentioned twice in chapter 2. This idea of the rule over the people is sometimes liked with a clergy usurping the people's consciences. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne2 Posted July 14, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,499 Content Per Day: 1.46 Reputation: 622 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/29/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted July 14, 2023 8 hours ago, WilliamL said: This was spoke by a Communist official about their plan to promote Chinese Communist-style state Christianity to the whole world. This is spoken of secular rulers who are supposed to enforce righteous secular laws about such things as theft and violence and civil disturbances. NOT deny religious rights. Many Christians "do that which is good" and are punished for it by UNrighteous rulers. (Such as in China.) Paul's words do not apply to those rulers. So Constantine gave those rights yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamL Posted July 14, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 5,159 Content Per Day: 1.48 Reputation: 2,568 Days Won: 4 Joined: 11/06/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/01/1950 Share Posted July 14, 2023 8 hours ago, Anne2 said: So Constantine gave those rights yes? Constantine made Christianity legal in the Roman Empire, then made it preeminent; then meddled in it's affairs via the Nicene Council, and by making Sundays a holiday in the Empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne2 Posted July 14, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,499 Content Per Day: 1.46 Reputation: 622 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/29/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted July 14, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, WilliamL said: Constantine made Christianity legal in the Roman Empire, then made it preeminent; then meddled in it's affairs via the Nicene Council, and by making Sundays a holiday in the Empire. Meddled in their affairs? He did what other Caesars did, decided which religions would be legal. Can't know that without establishing what that religion is right? So them coming all together to come to consensus against various factions was quite normal. Look what happened with Judaism, with the various sects. And look what happened there in 70 ad, because the factions came to a head. We see this aspect with Paul concerning the Goddess Diana. Rome couldn't allow warring factions in a religion. Especially if one or another tended to sedition against the state. Do we see all that much difference when it comes to militant Islam? Is one form, legal and another illegal? Of course A problem with Dearborn Michigan Copy and paste from wiki begin quote Christian missionaries and politicians[edit] In 2010, Nabeel Qureshi, David Wood, and two other people acting as Christian missionaries, were arrested at the Dearborn International Arab Festival. They had been handing out Christian literature aimed at Muslim believers. The four were prosecuted for breach of the peace. Police ordered them to stop filming the incident, to provide identification, and to move at least five blocks from the border of the fair.[30] After reviewing the video evidence, the jury acquitted the defendants.[31] The four defendants filed a separate civil suit against the city. Dearborn was found to have violated their constitutional rights related to freedom of speech. The city settled the lawsuit and issued a formal apology to the individuals.[32] Sharron Angle, a Republican senatorial candidate in Nevada, said in an October 2010 political speech that the Arab Americans in Dearborn contributed to a "militant terrorist situation,"[33][34] and that the city government was enforcing Islamic sharia law.[33] Mayor Jack O'Reilly strongly criticized Angle, saying "She took it as face value and maligned the city of Dearborn and I consider that totally irresponsible".[33] end quote Sunday had been being kept since before Constantine or any councils. Edited July 14, 2023 by Anne2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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