Daniel 11

[DeighAnn]

10 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Not really.

The abomination of desolation is placed in Jerusalem 1290 days after the daily sacrifice is abolished.

The daily sacrifice being abolished marks the beginning of the persecution of the saints in israel.

The saints are delivered at the time the abomination of desolation is placed.The abomination of desolation causes the consummation.It consumes flesh .Causes the earth to quake and caused the heavens to depart from the earth like a scroll being rolled together.It causes great tribulation,the likes of which has never been seen.

 

Unless you go by what is written,  since none of that is.

[Shilohsfoal]

Just now, DeighAnn said:

Unless you go by what is written,  since none of that is.

Sure it is.Once you learn what day the abomination of desolation is placed,you read about the effects it has on the city of Jerusalem and the people in it.

Then you realize your reading about a nuclear explosion.

You want to read about the earth shaking and the heavens burning with a fervent heat?You want to read about people being instantly consumed as they stand on their feet?All those things are in the bible.

 

²¹ For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

²² And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

 

It's a good thing the elect has someone on their side to save them.

[DeighAnn]

13 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Then you realize your reading about a nuclear explosion.

No, then YOU 'concluded'

and by your own 'conjecture' you DECIDED

not because OF A SINGLE WORD WRITTEN in the words of God.  

NUCLEAR EXPLOSIONS are OF THIS WORLD.  They are of THE CARNAL way of thinking.  

IF IT WAS WRITTEN you would produce it.  

 

DANIEL 12

1 And at time that shall stand up Michael the prince great who stands over the sons of your people and there shall be a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation to time that and at time that shall be delivered your people every one who is found written in the book

2 And many of those who sleep of the earth in the dust shall awake these to life everlasting and these to shame contempt everlasting

3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament and those who turn to righteousness many like the stars forever and ever

4 But you Daniel shut up the words and seal the book until the time of the end shall run to and fro many and shall increase knowledge

5 And looked I Daniel and there two others stood one on this bank of the river and one on that bank of the river

6 And said to the man clothed in linen who on above the waters of the river until when shall the fulfillment of these wonders?

7 and I heard the man clothed in linen who on above the waters of the river and when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven and swore by Him who lives forever that for a time, times, and half, and when has been completely shattered the power of the people holy shall be finished all these

8 And although I heard and not did understand and I said My lord what [shall be] the end of these

9 And he said go Daniel for closed up and sealed the words till the time of the end

10 Shall be purified and made white and refined MANY but shall do wickedly the wicked and none shall understand all of the wicked but the wise shall understand

11 And from the time is taken away the daily and is set up the abomination of desolation days A thousand two hundred and ninety.

THAT DOESN'T SAY THERE ARE 2 different times and 2 different EVENTS with

1290 DAYS in between 

It says that from the time THEY OCCURE there is only 1290 days. 

WHAT would 'take away the daily sacrifice?   WOULD blowing up JERUSALEM?  Would blowing up a temple?   

NO, BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED A TEMPLE. 

We are the 'lively stones' and the ONLY WAY to MAKE US DESOLATE is with DECEPTION.  KILLING US doesn't make us desolate, doesn't make anyone desolate. 

DEATH of the flesh ISN'T A CONCERN.  


a BOMB isn't going to deceive anyone.  Please how do you answer these questions?   


WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT of the 3 'spirits' like frogs calling for a surrounding of Jerusalem for the battle of Armagedón

IF IT IS NO LONGER THERE?  





Zech 14

1Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

THE LORD GOES FORTH TO FIGHT
 

4And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

SO WE HAVE JESUS ON THE EARTH,  JERUSALEM  STILL PRESENT AND ACCOUNTED FOR
 

5And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

6And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

AND IT IS THE LORDS DAY, NOT SOME TIME WHEN THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION IS BEING SET UP

7But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

8And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

IF THE AOD WAS A NUKE, THIS WOULD NO LONGER BE POSSIBLE.  IS THIS THE 'NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH HERE'?


9And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

10All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.

11And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

HOW WILL MEN DWELL IN A PLACE THAT NO LONGER EXISTS?  HOW WILL JERUSALEM be safely inhabited when it will NO LONGER EXIST?


12And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

JERUSALEM had to be there FOR THEM TO HAVE FOUGHT AGAINST IT, JESUS IS ALREADY THERE SO DOES THE AOD GET SET UP WHEN CHRIST RETURNS? 


 

13And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.

THIS CAN'T BE DONE IF IT WAS NUKED BY THE AOD

14And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.

NONE OF THAT WILL EXIST IF A NUKE GOES OFF

15And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.

16And it shall come to pass,





that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.


 

17And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

20In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

21Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

[Shilohsfoal]

15 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

No, then YOU 'concluded'

and by your own 'conjecture' you DECIDED

not because OF A SINGLE WORD WRITTEN in the words of God.  

NUCLEAR EXPLOSIONS are OF THIS WORLD.  They are of THE CARNAL way of thinking.  

IF IT WAS WRITTEN you would produce it.  

 

DANIEL 12

1 And at time that shall stand up Michael the prince great who stands over the sons of your people and there shall be a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation to time that and at time that shall be delivered your people every one who is found written in the book

2 And many of those who sleep of the earth in the dust shall awake these to life everlasting and these to shame contempt everlasting

3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament and those who turn to righteousness many like the stars forever and ever

4 But you Daniel shut up the words and seal the book until the time of the end shall run to and fro many and shall increase knowledge

5 And looked I Daniel and there two others stood one on this bank of the river and one on that bank of the river

6 And said to the man clothed in linen who on above the waters of the river until when shall the fulfillment of these wonders?

7 and I heard the man clothed in linen who on above the waters of the river and when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven and swore by Him who lives forever that for a time, times, and half, and when has been completely shattered the power of the people holy shall be finished all these

8 And although I heard and not did understand and I said My lord what [shall be] the end of these

9 And he said go Daniel for closed up and sealed the words till the time of the end

10 Shall be purified and made white and refined MANY but shall do wickedly the wicked and none shall understand all of the wicked but the wise shall understand

11 And from the time is taken away the daily and is set up the abomination of desolation days A thousand two hundred and ninety.

THAT DOESN'T SAY THERE ARE 2 different times and 2 different EVENTS with

1290 DAYS in between 

It says that from the time THEY OCCURE there is only 1290 days. 

WHAT would 'take away the daily sacrifice?   WOULD blowing up JERUSALEM?  Would blowing up a temple?   

NO, BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED A TEMPLE. 

We are the 'lively stones' and the ONLY WAY to MAKE US DESOLATE is with DECEPTION.  KILLING US doesn't make us desolate, doesn't make anyone desolate. 

DEATH of the flesh ISN'T A CONCERN.  


a BOMB isn't going to deceive anyone.  Please how do you answer these questions?   


WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT of the 3 'spirits' like frogs calling for a surrounding of Jerusalem for the battle of Armagedón

IF IT IS NO LONGER THERE?  





Zech 14

1Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

THE LORD GOES FORTH TO FIGHT
 

4And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

SO WE HAVE JESUS ON THE EARTH,  JERUSALEM  STILL PRESENT AND ACCOUNTED FOR
 

5And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

6And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

AND IT IS THE LORDS DAY, NOT SOME TIME WHEN THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION IS BEING SET UP

7But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

8And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

IF THE AOD WAS A NUKE, THIS WOULD NO LONGER BE POSSIBLE.  IS THIS THE 'NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH HERE'?


9And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

10All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.

11And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

HOW WILL MEN DWELL IN A PLACE THAT NO LONGER EXISTS?  HOW WILL JERUSALEM be safely inhabited when it will NO LONGER EXIST?


12And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

JERUSALEM had to be there FOR THEM TO HAVE FOUGHT AGAINST IT, JESUS IS ALREADY THERE SO DOES THE AOD GET SET UP WHEN CHRIST RETURNS? 


 

13And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.

THIS CAN'T BE DONE IF IT WAS NUKED BY THE AOD

14And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.

NONE OF THAT WILL EXIST IF A NUKE GOES OFF

15And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.

16And it shall come to pass,





that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.


 

17And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

20In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

21Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

You talk alot but your not really listening to what your quoting.

If you had paid careful attention to Jesus,you would know that it is at this time (Daniel 12:1) that the abomination of desolation is placed.That is 1290 days after the daily sacrifice is abolished in Daniel 11:31.

 

DANIEL 12

1 And at time that shall stand up Michael the prince great who stands over the sons of your people and there shall be a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation to time that and at time that shall be delivered your people every one who is found written in the book

2 And many of those who sleep of the earth in the dust shall awake these to life everlasting and these to shame contempt everlasting

 

Are you able to learn from Jesus ?

[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

You talk alot but your not really listening to what your quoting.

If you had paid careful attention to Jesus,you would know that it is at this time (Daniel 12:1) that the abomination of desolation is placed.That is 1290 days after the daily sacrifice is abolished in Daniel 11:31.

 

DANIEL 12

1 And at time that shall stand up Michael the prince great who stands over the sons of your people and there shall be a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation to time that and at time that shall be delivered your people every one who is found written in the book

2 And many of those who sleep of the earth in the dust shall awake these to life everlasting and these to shame contempt everlasting

 

Are you able to learn from Jesus ?

Again, lots of YOUR WORDS saying something, NONE OF GODS.  

So yes, I am able to learn from THE WORDS of GOD.  Are YOU?  

I have given you GODS WORDS OVER AND OVER.  I have shown by a PREPONDERANCE of verses that the AOD is set at the time the daily sacrifice ceases and why they go together.  

Not in one JUST ONE PLACE where I showed how it is written in the original, but in different chapters and different books.  

WHAT can't be done is the DAILY SACRIFICE be taken away without THE WORSHIP going to SOMETHING or someone else.  

WHAT can't be shown IS JERUSALEM disappearing by a nuke AND what is written remaining truth.  



UNTIL you can show WHERE ALL THE VERSES that would follow 'the AOD' being a NUKE


ABLE TO STILL BE TRUTH WITHOUT A JERUSALEM

it's all just a personal theory AND nothing of that theory HAS A FOUNDATION laid out in the words of God.  We are not to BUILD NEW FOUNDATIONS but to build off the ones already laid.  This is no different than taking what 'a soul' is and dissecting it until you have 'being' being 'parted out' at death and then reunited or re born or however that goes coming at the last day.  

Don't think it isn't OBVIOUS that there ISN'T ANY SCRIPTURE for what you claim.  YOU ARE defining WHAT YOU BELIEVE 'the AOD' is BASED UPON WHAT you know of THIS WORLD

WHILE WILLINGLY NOT ACKNOWLEDGING WHAT GODS WORDS TELL US ARE AN ABOMINATION.

I have given you MUCH Scripture showing how ABOMINATION is used in the words of God but THAT DOESN'T FIT WITH THE 'NUKE' THEORY.  

I have given MANY verses on what is 'desolate' IN THE WORDS OF GOD, YET they are COMPLETELY DISREGARDED in favor of WHAT ISN'T WRITTEN. 

You can SAY you don't think I understand what JESUS is telling us

but I AM NOT the one who is disregarding the MANY VERSES that all speak to the same thing, all in the same order, all about the end times, 

IN FAVOR OF sticking with a verse written in such a manner as to maybe, possibly, allow 'the nuke theory' to survive BECAUSE OF THAT ONE VERSE.  No wonder you can't accept all the rest as the same thing.  You have the daily sacrifice being cut off again and again and again I guess.  

So, we will continue to disagree.  




 

 

Edited July 7, 2023 by DeighAnn

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

Again, lots of YOUR WORDS saying something, NONE OF GODS.  

So yes, I am able to learn from THE WORDS of GOD.  Are YOU?  

I have given you GODS WORDS OVER AND OVER.  I have shown by a PREPONDERANCE of verses that the AOD is set at the time the daily sacrifice ceases and why they go together.  

Not in one JUST ONE PLACE where I showed how it is written in the original, but in different chapters and different books.  

WHAT can't be done is the DAILY SACRIFICE be taken away without THE WORSHIP going to SOMETHING or someone else.  

WHAT can't be shown IS JERUSALEM disappearing by a nuke AND what is written remaining truth.  



UNTIL you can show WHERE ALL THE VERSES that would follow 'the AOD' being a NUKE


ABLE TO STILL BE TRUTH WITHOUT A JERUSALEM

it's all just a personal theory AND nothing of that theory HAS A FOUNDATION laid out in the words of God.  We are not to BUILD NEW FOUNDATIONS but to build off the ones already laid.  This is no different than taking what 'a soul' is and dissecting it until you have 'being' being 'parted out' at death and then reunited or re born or however that goes coming at the last day.  

Don't think it isn't OBVIOUS that there ISN'T ANY SCRIPTURE for what you claim.  YOU ARE defining WHAT YOU BELIEVE 'the AOD' is BASED UPON WHAT you know of THIS WORLD

WHILE WILLINGLY NOT ACKNOWLEDGING WHAT GODS WORDS TELL US ARE AN ABOMINATION.

I have given you MUCH Scripture showing how ABOMINATION is used in the words of God but THAT DOESN'T FIT WITH THE 'NUKE' THEORY.  

I have given MANY verses on what is 'desolate' IN THE WORDS OF GOD, YET they are COMPLETELY DISREGARDED in favor of WHAT ISN'T WRITTEN. 

You can SAY you don't think I understand what JESUS is telling us

but I AM NOT the one who is disregarding the MANY VERSES that all speak to the same thing, all in the same order, all about the end times, 

IN FAVOR OF sticking with a verse written in such a manner as to maybe, possibly, allow 'the nuke theory' to survive BECAUSE OF THAT ONE VERSE.  No wonder you can't accept all the rest as the same thing.  You have the daily sacrifice being cut off again and again and again I guess.  

So, we will continue to disagree.  




 

 

Again,you read the verses and pay no attention to them.Try again.

Daniel 12:1

And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.

This is only one simple verse from Daniel.

Can you show me where it is in Mathew 24?

Edited July 7, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

Again, lots of YOUR WORDS saying something, NONE OF GODS.  

So yes, I am able to learn from THE WORDS of GOD.  Are YOU?  

I have given you GODS WORDS OVER AND OVER.  I have shown by a PREPONDERANCE of verses that the AOD is set at the time the daily sacrifice ceases and why they go together.  

Not in one JUST ONE PLACE where I showed how it is written in the original, but in different chapters and different books.  

WHAT can't be done is the DAILY SACRIFICE be taken away without THE WORSHIP going to SOMETHING or someone else.  

WHAT can't be shown IS JERUSALEM disappearing by a nuke AND what is written remaining truth.  



UNTIL you can show WHERE ALL THE VERSES that would follow 'the AOD' being a NUKE


ABLE TO STILL BE TRUTH WITHOUT A JERUSALEM

it's all just a personal theory AND nothing of that theory HAS A FOUNDATION laid out in the words of God.  We are not to BUILD NEW FOUNDATIONS but to build off the ones already laid.  This is no different than taking what 'a soul' is and dissecting it until you have 'being' being 'parted out' at death and then reunited or re born or however that goes coming at the last day.  

Don't think it isn't OBVIOUS that there ISN'T ANY SCRIPTURE for what you claim.  YOU ARE defining WHAT YOU BELIEVE 'the AOD' is BASED UPON WHAT you know of THIS WORLD

WHILE WILLINGLY NOT ACKNOWLEDGING WHAT GODS WORDS TELL US ARE AN ABOMINATION.

I have given you MUCH Scripture showing how ABOMINATION is used in the words of God but THAT DOESN'T FIT WITH THE 'NUKE' THEORY.  

I have given MANY verses on what is 'desolate' IN THE WORDS OF GOD, YET they are COMPLETELY DISREGARDED in favor of WHAT ISN'T WRITTEN. 

You can SAY you don't think I understand what JESUS is telling us

but I AM NOT the one who is disregarding the MANY VERSES that all speak to the same thing, all in the same order, all about the end times, 

IN FAVOR OF sticking with a verse written in such a manner as to maybe, possibly, allow 'the nuke theory' to survive BECAUSE OF THAT ONE VERSE.  No wonder you can't accept all the rest as the same thing.  You have the daily sacrifice being cut off again and again and again I guess.  

So, we will continue to disagree.  




 

 

Perhaps we should try something very simple.Whay day does scripture say the occupants of Judea will flee?

 

Mathew 24

¹⁵ When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

¹⁶ Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

 

What day does scripture say the occupants of Judea will flee?

 

[R. Hartono]

7 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Daniel is the only prophet Jesus spoke of after being asked by his disciples for the sign of his coming.

Jesus spoke of the abomination of desolation taking place and most of us know where that is located in Daniel.

But Daniel 11 is a very long chapter concerning many events leading up to the abomination of desolation  or the daily sacrifice being abolished which takes place prior to the abomination.

Jesus never mentioned the book of maccabees or any other interpretation of Daniels prophecies and for good reason.The writer of maccabees was not a prophet and the people who claimed to have unsealed Daniels end times prophecies in 167 bc were not prophets.

So how many people today actually pay attention to Daniels prophecy concerning the abomination of desolation and the many events leading up to it?

Unfortunately not many.

People have allowed themselves to be carried away from watching that prophecy by many interpretations from people who Jesus didn't mention by name 

He only mentioned Daniels name concerning Daniels prophecy.

 

 

 

Daniel 12:10

Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.
 

Daniel 11 has been fulfilled in history, which happened within 69 weeks of Daniel, the remaining 1 week is suspended by church age.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

7 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Daniel 11 has been fulfilled in history, which happened within 69 weeks of Daniel, the remaining 1 week is suspended by church age.

 

And that explains why you pay Daniel 11 no mind.Since you believe it has already been fulfilled ,you chose not to watch ,which is what the Lord commanded the porter to do.

So you will not watch.

 

 

³⁴ For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.

³⁵ Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:

³⁶ Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.

 

 

 

 

Edited July 7, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[Shilohsfoal]

13 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Again, lots of YOUR WORDS saying something, NONE OF GODS.  

So yes, I am able to learn from THE WORDS of GOD.  Are YOU?  

I have given you GODS WORDS OVER AND OVER.  I have shown by a PREPONDERANCE of verses that the AOD is set at the time the daily sacrifice ceases and why they go together.  

Not in one JUST ONE PLACE where I showed how it is written in the original, but in different chapters and different books.  

WHAT can't be done is the DAILY SACRIFICE be taken away without THE WORSHIP going to SOMETHING or someone else.  

WHAT can't be shown IS JERUSALEM disappearing by a nuke AND what is written remaining truth.  



UNTIL you can show WHERE ALL THE VERSES that would follow 'the AOD' being a NUKE


ABLE TO STILL BE TRUTH WITHOUT A JERUSALEM

it's all just a personal theory AND nothing of that theory HAS A FOUNDATION laid out in the words of God.  We are not to BUILD NEW FOUNDATIONS but to build off the ones already laid.  This is no different than taking what 'a soul' is and dissecting it until you have 'being' being 'parted out' at death and then reunited or re born or however that goes coming at the last day.  

Don't think it isn't OBVIOUS that there ISN'T ANY SCRIPTURE for what you claim.  YOU ARE defining WHAT YOU BELIEVE 'the AOD' is BASED UPON WHAT you know of THIS WORLD

WHILE WILLINGLY NOT ACKNOWLEDGING WHAT GODS WORDS TELL US ARE AN ABOMINATION.

I have given you MUCH Scripture showing how ABOMINATION is used in the words of God but THAT DOESN'T FIT WITH THE 'NUKE' THEORY.  

I have given MANY verses on what is 'desolate' IN THE WORDS OF GOD, YET they are COMPLETELY DISREGARDED in favor of WHAT ISN'T WRITTEN. 

You can SAY you don't think I understand what JESUS is telling us

but I AM NOT the one who is disregarding the MANY VERSES that all speak to the same thing, all in the same order, all about the end times, 

IN FAVOR OF sticking with a verse written in such a manner as to maybe, possibly, allow 'the nuke theory' to survive BECAUSE OF THAT ONE VERSE.  No wonder you can't accept all the rest as the same thing.  You have the daily sacrifice being cut off again and again and again I guess.  

So, we will continue to disagree.  




 

 

I take it you don't know when the occupants of Judea flee as Jesus said in the gospel.

 

¹⁶ Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

 

Well,perhaps you will be happy to learn it's not when you claim it will happen.Scripture shows the occupants of Judea flee on the day of the Lord when the Lord stands on the Mt of olives.

 

Zech 14

⁴ And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

⁵ And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

 

That would be 1290 days after you said it would take place.This is not the only verse that shows the abomination of desolation being placed in Jerusalem on the day of the Lord.

 

 

Edited July 7, 2023 by Shilohsfoal