phoneman-777 Posted August 3, 2023 Group: Seventh Day Adventist Followers: 1 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 179 Content Per Day: 0.61 Reputation: 35 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/08/2023 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 3, 2023 (edited) 17 hours ago, Michael37 said: You seem to be disagreeing with our Statement of Faith. Perhaps...but definitely agreeably. Statement of Faith We believe in God, the almighty creator of heaven and earth. AMEN! We believe in the triunity of God. We believe that God is eternally One, and also eternally the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit — the three being distinct, but not separate. Each Person of the Godhead coexists from everlasting to everlasting. AMEN! We believe in the Messiah, Jesus, God’s only begotten son, God come in the flesh. He was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the virgin Mary. He suffered under Pontius Pilate. He was crucified, died and buried. On the third day, He rose again. Soon afterward He ascended into heaven. Now He is seated at the right hand of the Father and He will return to judge both the living and the dead and reign for evermore. AMEN! We believe all mankind are sinful and are therefore subject to God’s wrath and condemnation. AMEN! We believe that everyone is in need of God’s salvation. Mankind is absolutely unable to fulfill the heavy demands of God’s righteousness, holiness and glory. AMEN! Therefore, God, in sending His Only Begotten Son, has accomplished redemption for us through the shedding of Jesus’ blood. Because of His Son’s death, God has forgiven us of our sins, reconciled us to Himself, and justified us by making Him our righteousness. AMEN! We believe that salvation is a gift received by faith alone, in Messiah alone, and is expressed in the individual’s recognition and repentance of sin, and the acceptance of the risen Messiah as Saviour, Lord and God. AMEN! We believe in the supreme Lordship of Jesus Christ, before whom every knee in heaven and on earth will bow. And that there is no other name under Heaven by which we can approach the holy throne of God. Jesus Christ is the one and only mediator between God and man. AMEN! We believe that immediately upon death, the soul of the believer is absent from the body, and present with the Lord. Paul speaks about "naked" and "unclothed" in that chapter which refers to the intermediate state between being absent from the body and present with the Lord - resting in peace, lying naked and unclothed, without a body, dead, in the grave awaiting resurrection...because the Soul comes into existence as a consequence of the union of the Body and the Breath of Life, and at the disunion of the same, when the Breath returns to God and the Body to dust, the Soul ceases to exist aka "dies". It can't continue to exist any more than Light (Soul) can continue to shine from a Bulb (Body) once the electric current (Breath of Life) is removed. Paul's clear that the only way we can be "present with the Lord" is if we're "clothed upon" with our resurrection body. We believe in the ongoing work of sanctification by the Holy Spirit after redemption for the purpose of producing life changing fruit — love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness and self-control. AMEN! We believe that the 66 books of the Canon, from Genesis to Revelation are the exhaustive, inerrant and inspired word of God. AMEN! Edited August 3, 2023 by phoneman-777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoneman-777 Posted August 3, 2023 Group: Seventh Day Adventist Followers: 1 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 179 Content Per Day: 0.61 Reputation: 35 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/08/2023 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 3, 2023 16 hours ago, FJK said: It would help in understanding this statement if you would quote those actual verses and from which translation they come. I apologize for such a long response, but it's necessary to make the points. The KJV is my go to, although newer versions sometimes translate things a bit more clearly. An example of the meaning of a verse which has been twisted is "these shall go away into everlasting punishment". Notice, it doesn't say "everlasting punish-ing" but "punish-ment". And, what is the punishment? It's not torment, but death. Everlasting, eternal death...a death from which there will be no resurrection. Another example is when people wrongly conclude that during the Second Coming, Jesus is bringing with Him the "disembodied souls" of dead saints which had gone to be with Him at death. This is because they either don't know about or ignore the Chiasm: A. For if we believe that Jesus DIED (DEATH) B. and ROSE again (RESURRECTION) A. so them also which SLEEP in Jesus (DEATH) B. will God BRING with Him. (RESURRECTION) In other words, "bring" doesn't refer to a celestial road trip of Jesus and the souls of the saints across the universe, but bring forth from the tomb "with" or "in like manner" as Jesus was brought forth - the promise of the Resurrection. If we insist "bring" refers to that celestial road trip, we destroy the Chiasm and introduce Scriptural disharmony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted August 3, 2023 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 241 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 6,943 Content Per Day: 3.27 Reputation: 4,867 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted August 3, 2023 23 minutes ago, phoneman-777 said: Perhaps...but definitely agreeably. Worthy Christian Forums has a moderation policy that discourages the pushing of doctrinal positions not supportive of its Statement of Faith. Take care. Blessings from Michael37 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoneman-777 Posted August 3, 2023 Group: Seventh Day Adventist Followers: 1 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 179 Content Per Day: 0.61 Reputation: 35 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/08/2023 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 3, 2023 Just now, Michael37 said: Worthy Christian Forums has a moderation policy that discourages the pushing of doctrinal positions not supportive of its Statement of Faith. Take care. Blessings from Michael37 Understood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted August 3, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 186 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,242 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 16,657 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted August 3, 2023 22 hours ago, Michael37 said: You seem to be disagreeing with our Statement of Faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted August 3, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 186 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,242 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 16,657 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted August 3, 2023 I totally agree and that right now he doesn't seem to be open to discipling. perhaps some one else... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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