The Barbarian Posted December 22, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,197 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 994 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 22, 2023 3 hours ago, FreeGrace said: Evolution explains a very slow process of the development of animals that leads finally to man. That is unbiblical. It's contrary to some modern interpretations of Genesis. But it's not contrary to Genesis. 4 hours ago, BeyondET said: And the problem with evolution and animals? There isn't one, if you simply take scripture as it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeGrace Posted December 22, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,649 Content Per Day: 7.96 Reputation: 631 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted December 22, 2023 2 hours ago, The Barbarian said: FreeGrace said: Evolution explains a very slow process of the development of animals that leads finally to man. That is unbiblical. It's contrary to some modern interpretations of Genesis. But it's not contrary to Genesis. Sure it is. There aren't any centuries in Genesis 1, much less years, other than the unspecified time it took for the earth to become an uninhabitable wasteland. And then the restoration began. Took 6 days total. 2 hours ago, The Barbarian said: There isn't one, if you simply take scripture as it is. I take Scripture exactly as written. And I understand what the words mean by comparing how they were used in the other verses in the OT. All very clear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted December 22, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,197 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 994 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 22, 2023 Evolution is contrary to some modern interpretations of Genesis. But it's not contrary to Genesis. 26 minutes ago, FreeGrace said: Sure it is. There aren't any centuries in Genesis 1, But there are mornings and evenings with no sun with which to have them, so the text itself says it's not a literal account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeGrace Posted December 22, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,649 Content Per Day: 7.96 Reputation: 631 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted December 22, 2023 1 hour ago, The Barbarian said: Evolution is contrary to some modern interpretations of Genesis. But it's not contrary to Genesis. FreeGrace said: Sure it is. There aren't any centuries in Genesis 1, But there are mornings and evenings with no sun with which to have them, so the text itself says it's not a literal account. If mornings and evenings require the sun, and there isn't a sun, then how can the Bible describe "morning and evening"? We know from Rev 21 that the new heaven and earth won't need the sun because the Father and Son provide the light. So I have no problem with 24 hour days without a sun. The bigger issue is how "tohu wabohu" was used in the other 2 passages. In Jer 4:23 the phrase was used to describe what a besieging army did to the land (total destruction) and in Isa 34:11 it was used to describe God Himself destroying the land. So there is no reason for the phrase in Gen 1:2 mean something foolish like "formless". Rather, the earth became an uninhabitable wasteland. And we don't know the time frame between v.1 and v.2. We don't need no stinkin' evolution to explain earth age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeyondET Posted December 23, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,989 Content Per Day: 1.25 Reputation: 825 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/29/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/1968 Share Posted December 23, 2023 10 hours ago, Renskedejonge said: Because He is Light. I would expect everything to always be light. He formed the light and created the darkness. God is spiritual light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeyondET Posted December 23, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,989 Content Per Day: 1.25 Reputation: 825 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/29/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/1968 Share Posted December 23, 2023 11 hours ago, FreeGrace said: Evolution explains a very slow process of the development of animals that leads finally to man. That is unbiblical. From Genesis 1 we know that God created immediately, by speaking things into existence. While evolution DEMANDS an old earth for its theory, an old earth doesn't need evolution at all. That's focusing back to the thread topic, 👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeyondET Posted December 23, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,989 Content Per Day: 1.25 Reputation: 825 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/29/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/1968 Share Posted December 23, 2023 3 hours ago, FreeGrace said: If mornings and evenings require the sun, and there isn't a sun, then how can the Bible describe "morning and evening"? Dusk and Dawn the period in the evening and morning when there's light but the sun isn't visible above the horizon to gauge time, there's 18 minutes each period. 36 mins each day that is totally impossible to know without a mechanical clock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeGrace Posted December 23, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,649 Content Per Day: 7.96 Reputation: 631 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted December 23, 2023 11 hours ago, BeyondET said: Dusk and Dawn the period in the evening and morning when there's light but the sun isn't visible above the horizon to gauge time, there's 18 minutes each period. 36 mins each day that is totally impossible to know without a mechanical clock. The argument that a sun is required for there to be a "24 hour day" just doesn't hold up. God created time, not Timex. Or Rolex. So He didn't need to create a sun before He started timing His restoration of the earth. The Bible tells us the time for each day of restoration. So it doesn't matter what day the sun was created. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RdJ Posted December 23, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 82 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,501 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 900 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/11/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/25/1970 Share Posted December 23, 2023 13 hours ago, BeyondET said: He formed the light and created the darkness. God is spiritual light. Yes but why is there even darkness? Revelation 22:5 5 There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever. I'm not saying that it proves that satan fell already, but that was the reason I thought: oh yes that's possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted December 25, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,197 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 994 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 25, 2023 On 12/22/2023 at 7:12 PM, BeyondET said: Evolution explains a very slow process of the development of animals that leads finally to man. That is unbiblical. In the sense that plate tectonics, protons, and radio waves are unbiblical. Lots of observed things like evolution and radio are true, even if they aren't in the Bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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