dad2 Posted October 21, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,653 Content Per Day: 1.04 Reputation: 199 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 21, 2023 7 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said: There are some who will travel into exile.They are cast out of the kingdom. 11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. They will go into exile from the kingdom beyond Damascus on the day of the Lord. Amos 5 27 Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus, saith the Lord, whose name is The God of hosts. Jesus destroys all enemies when He returns and then the millennium starts. So there is no one cast anywhere after that in the 1000 years. Looking at a commentary it places your verse in Amos at the captivity " Verse Amos 5:27. Will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus — That is, into Assyria, the way to which, from Judea, was by Damascus. But St. Stephen says, Acts 7:43, beyond Babylon; because the Holy Spirit that was in him chose to extend the meaning of the original text to that great and final captivity of the Jews in general, when Zedekiah, their last king, and the people of Judea, were carried into Mesopotamia, Armenia, and Media; see 2 Kings 17:7; 2 Kings 17:24. This captivity happened after the time of Amos." https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/acc/amos-5.html#verse-26 However if you are correct and there is to be another event in the day of the Lord in the end it would be in the tribulation. The day of the Lord starts with the Rapture and extends until the end of the 1000 years. A chilling thought, that yet another time of captives led from Israel before Jesus returned! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dad2 Posted October 21, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,653 Content Per Day: 1.04 Reputation: 199 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 21, 2023 (edited) Quote If the nations outside to he millinial kingdom has in fact beaten their swords into plowshares then Gog would not have had any weapons to bring with them when they Invade the promised land in revelation 20.You believe Gog comes to Israel with pruninghooks?lol You believe God kills Gog because he and his vast army come to prune the bushes? They won't have weapons. That is why the battle is not at the end of the millennium as far as I can see. Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. His kingdom is not some little kingdom surrounded by other kingdoms!! Quote What's Gog brought to the battle with him? You believe he comes to plant some potatoes?You believe that is his plans? What did Cain kill Abel with? It doesn't have to be swords. But since the people are in rebellion here trying to attack millennial saints , one assumes they must have beat some plowshares back into swords. However that does not fit the Eze invasion where every one has swords. Also the world will have plenty then. No shortages. The reaper will overtake the sower sort of thing. Probably the rebels are not doing so to take some spoil after the millennium. It is probably more of a rebellion against God and His rules etc. Edited October 21, 2023 by dad2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted October 21, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.43 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted October 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, dad2 said: Jesus destroys all enemies when He returns and then the millennium starts. So there is no one cast anywhere after that in the 1000 years. Looking at a commentary it places your verse in Amos at the captivity " Verse Amos 5:27. Will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus — That is, into Assyria, the way to which, from Judea, was by Damascus. But St. Stephen says, Acts 7:43, beyond Babylon; because the Holy Spirit that was in him chose to extend the meaning of the original text to that great and final captivity of the Jews in general, when Zedekiah, their last king, and the people of Judea, were carried into Mesopotamia, Armenia, and Media; see 2 Kings 17:7; 2 Kings 17:24. This captivity happened after the time of Amos." https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/acc/amos-5.html#verse-26 However if you are correct and there is to be another event in the day of the Lord in the end it would be in the tribulation. The day of the Lord starts with the Rapture and extends until the end of the 1000 years. A chilling thought, that yet another time of captives led from Israel before Jesus returned! False.Amos 5 says it is about the day of the Lord when Israel goes into exile.Not 2500 years before the day of the Lord. As for all of Jesus's enemies being destroyed.There are ten and they occupy the same kingdom in the middle east.That kingdom being the kingdom promised to Abraham and his seed. Revelation 17:14 They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.” So while you believe all of the world is full of saints at the end of the millinium and that Gog is the leader of the saints who come against the saints in Israel,the fact is the saints of God who are resurected in the first resurection live a peaceful 1000 years in the millinial kingdom when those who are not of that kingdom come against it and are destroyed. No,the nations outside of the land promised to the saints are not full of saints at rest.They are full of common people livjng common lives up to the day they decide to invade the land of Israel . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted October 21, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.43 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted October 21, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, dad2 said: They won't have weapons. That is why the battle is not at the end of the millennium as far as I can see. Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. His kingdom is not some little kingdom surrounded by other kingdoms!! What did Cain kill Abel with? It doesn't have to be swords. But since the people are in rebellion here trying to attack millennial saints , one assumes they must have beat some plowshares back into swords. However that does not fit the Eze invasion where every one has swords. Also the world will have plenty then. No shortages. The reaper will overtake the sower sort of thing. Probably the rebels are not doing so to take some spoil after the millennium. It is probably more of a rebellion against God and His rules etc. Ok,so you say Gog has beaten his swords into plowshares before he goes to war. Thats makes absolutely no sense because there are no wars after the nations have beaten their swords into plowshares. Isaiah 2 4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. Apparently you are flat out wrong because Gog marches to battle at the end of the millennium in revelation. Here is proof that Gog and the nations outside of the kingdom of Israel has not stopped making war at the end of the millennium. Revelation 20 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. Edited October 21, 2023 by Shilohsfoal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted October 21, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.43 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted October 21, 2023 21 minutes ago, dad2 said: His kingdom is not some little kingdom surrounded by other kingdoms!! According to revelation.The saints who reign with Christ for 1000 year in Israel are surrounded by other kingdoms led by Gog. . Revelation 20 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dad2 Posted October 21, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,653 Content Per Day: 1.04 Reputation: 199 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 21, 2023 Quote False.Amos 5 says it is about the day of the Lord when Israel goes into exile.Not 2500 years before the day of the Lord. So you say the commentaries are wrong because the use of the word day of the Lord there must refer to that great day of the Lord in the end. Some commentaries said that the phrase was used in times of judgment for Israel. But fine, let's say that the commentaries are wrong and that a new captivity will happen in the tribulation (obviously it could not happen after Jesus returns) Are you saying then that another captivity will happen before Israel accepts Jesus? Quote As for all of Jesus's enemies being destroyed.There are ten and they occupy the same kingdom in the middle east.That kingdom being the kingdom promised to Abraham and his seed. Revelation 17:14 They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.” False. The final kingdom of Satan under the AntiChrist rules the whole world. There will be ten kings involved in the final government under the AntiChrist. Quote So while you believe all of the world is full of saints at the end of the millinium and that Gog is the leader of the saints who come against the saints in Israel I never said or thought any such thing. Gog is not a saint and the rebels led in gog or by Gog are not saints either. They choose Satan. Quote No,the nations outside of the land promised to the saints are not full of saints at rest.They are full of common people livjng common lives up to the day they decide to invade the land of Israel . The world will be ruled by Jesus and His children. Not just some territory in the middle east. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dad2 Posted October 21, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,653 Content Per Day: 1.04 Reputation: 199 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 21, 2023 Quote Ok,so you say Gog has beaten his swords into plowshares before he goes to war. Thats makes absolutely no sense because there are no wars after the nations have beaten their swords into plowshares. Isaiah 2 4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. I was speculating. Whatever they have they use to try and attack the camp of the saints. We will not allow swords or learning war in the 1000 years. It will be enforced. However, at the end of that time, there will be many people unhappy with our rule and who reject Jesus and rebel. So they will not obey a rule that says no swords probably. But swords or no swords is not the point, they will rebel and try to attack the camp of believers in that day. Quote Apparently you are flat out wrong because Gog marches to battle at the end of the millennium in revelation. Here is proof that Gog and the nations outside of the kingdom of Israel has not stopped making war at the end of the millennium. Revelation 20 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. Just as I said. Not sure why you claim I am wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dad2 Posted October 21, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,653 Content Per Day: 1.04 Reputation: 199 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: According to revelation.The saints who reign with Christ for 1000 year in Israel are surrounded by other kingdoms led by Gog. . Revelation 20 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. The rebels come from the four corners of the earth and do attack the area where Jerusalem, the beloved city is. By the time the end of the millennium comes, many have their minds and hearts made up against Jesus. So Satan is let loose to get them to formalize that rebellion in a murderous attempt to kill believers. That does not mean that for almost all of the 1000 years the whole world was not part of His rule. It means that some people rebel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted October 21, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.43 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted October 21, 2023 12 minutes ago, dad2 said: The rebels come from the four corners of the earth and do attack the area where Jerusalem, the beloved city is. By the time the end of the millennium comes, many have their minds and hearts made up against Jesus. So Satan is let loose to get them to formalize that rebellion in a murderous attempt to kill believers. That does not mean that for almost all of the 1000 years the whole world was not part of His rule. It means that some people rebel. Scripture does not say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dad2 Posted October 21, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,653 Content Per Day: 1.04 Reputation: 199 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 21, 2023 39 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: Scripture does not say that. Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. There is no question He will rule all the world. The rebellions is only at the end of that 1000 years. It is also certain that Satan is loosed at the end of the millenium Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. Your assertion that this is not in the bible is comical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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