Israel has been attacking Gaza for decades

[Shilohsfoal]

30 minutes ago, The_Patriot21 said:

There's one small issue with your anti semitic nonsense.

Israel isn't attacking Palestine. It's defending itself against baseless attacks from Palestine.

There's a even bigger issue. Israel is God's chosen people. God wouldnt use His chosen people as Babylon.

Do I see anyone else attacking them? Well I mean Jordan kicked Hamas out long before they were in the gaza strip.

Egypt entered combat with them, though like Israel their actions have largely been in defense as well.

As far as someone actively attacking them? Just because it hasn't happened yet or they arnt who you think they should be, doesn't give you justification to try and force your own unbiblical agenda into it.

Which is what your doing. Your lying about the facts, in order to make them fit your narrative.

 

Nonsense.

If you believe this government which calls itself Israel then you must believe Benjamin netanyahu is the Messiah for it is the Messiah that gathers Israel.

It's them who are killed for their testimony of Jesus and who do not worship the beast or it's image or recieve it's mark that is God's chosen people.A holy nation and a kingdom.of priests.

The beast which rules over them now is not God's chosen people.Its the Israeli government which I reject as being the legitimate ruler of God's chosen people.

 

 

 

Edited December 23, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[Rick-Parker]

Such antisemitism in this thread.

Edited December 25, 2023 by Rick-Parker

[Desopixi Seilynam]

The 1917 Balfour declaration.
Called for a 'national home for the Jewish people' during the first world war.

   "..when strangers cast lots for Jerusalem,
    even you were as one of them..."  Obadiah 1:11

1918 WW1 ends, 1920 League of nations forms.

WW2 begins 1939, Hitler forcefully branding people as Jews,
and killing many that resisted.

The United Nations is founded 1945,
League of nations ends 1946.
Via the United Nations what
was called Palestine becomes Israel.
Many Arabs, Jews and Christians lived there.

Refugees from WW2 flood Israel,
hoping for a place in Israel because they are Jews,
and because of Hitler.

Arabic nations and the ruling government are hesitant.
And when the state of Israel is declared war immediately breaks out.

From 1948 to 1967 half of Jerusalem is literally desolate
and uninhabited.

After 1967 a Zionist government takes power,
evicting Palestinians from their homes, to move Zionists in,
and a campaign of settlements begins.
Many military checkpoints are placed in Israel at major road intersections and various crossroads, these checkpoints make life very hard for Palestinians, and out right enslave others.

   "you should not have stood in the crossroads
     to cut off those of his that did escape
     neither should you have made
     captive those of his that did remain"
   Obadiah 1:14

 

To go along with what has happened,
one has to first assert that those people descend from Jacob,
and that they have a God given right to the land.

We as Christians believe that the Jews
have a God given right to the land.
But many religious Jews, in Israel today,
will take you to Leviticus 26:39-42
and tell you how they do not have a right to the land because that passage says they are to remain in exile. Many among those Jews rally to have the land given back to the Palestinians.

And there is no proof that anybody descends from Jacob.
If we are going to the Bible for truth, in both Ezra and Nehemiah it tells us that the Jews mixed with many people. Therefore many of us may have some ancient Jewish blood.

We call them Jews without any evidence other than they say they are Jews,
and from what happened during Hitlers time.

If we go to the Bible for truth, we see Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 where Jesus specifically says there are people claiming to be Jews and are not, and He tells us what they really are.

Even if we say that those passages refer to people of the past,
it could be that there are people today that descend from those people of the past,
considering themselves to be Jews based on the lies of their ancestors.

I do think that is the case, the true heart of the matter being
that their ancestors descend from Esau. So they are Jews in a technical sense,
but not part of the 12 from Jacob.

Edited December 25, 2023 by Desopixi Seilynam

[RdJ]

On 12/23/2023 at 2:52 AM, Shilohsfoal said:

Nonsense.

If you believe this government which calls itself Israel then you must believe Benjamin netanyahu is the Messiah for it is the Messiah that gathers Israel.

It's them who are killed for their testimony of Jesus and who do not worship the beast or it's image or recieve it's mark that is God's chosen people.A holy nation and a kingdom.of priests.

The beast which rules over them now is not God's chosen people.Its the Israeli government which I reject as being the legitimate ruler of God's chosen people.

A Turkish lawmaker Hasan Bitmez has died two days after collapsing while giving a speech to parliament saying Israel would 'suffer the wrath of Allah' for invading Gaza.

[Shilohsfoal]

4 minutes ago, Renskedejonge said:

A Turkish lawmaker Hasan Bitmez has died two days after collapsing while giving a speech to parliament saying Israel would 'suffer the wrath of Allah' for invading Gaza.

Well,that's not why Israel suffers the wrath of God according to scripture.

 

 

Luke 21

²² For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

²³ But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

 

 

One only needs to read of the persecution the church suffers in Israel and the sins committed in the book of revelation to understand why there will be wrath upon the Israelis at the time of Gods vengeance in the above verses.

[RdJ]

28 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Well,that's not why Israel suffers the wrath of God according to scripture.

 

 

Luke 21

²² For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

²³ But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

 

 

One only needs to read of the persecution the church suffers in Israel and the sins committed in the book of revelation to understand why there will be wrath upon the Israelis at the time of Gods vengeance in the above verses.

I'm not a preterist but that did happen in 70 AD.

 

20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

[Shilohsfoal]

33 minutes ago, Renskedejonge said:

A Turkish lawmaker Hasan Bitmez has died two days after collapsing while giving a speech to parliament saying Israel would 'suffer the wrath of Allah' for invading Gaza.

Speaking of Allah,After the enemies of the two witnesses have taken control of Jerusalem,a great earthquake strikes Jerusalem and a cloud ascends into heaven.Along about that time some will give glory to God.

 

¹³ And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

 

This reminds me of that popular phrase in the middle east,"Allah Akbar".It means God is greatest and is sometimes recited at the point of death.Its a way to give glory to God.

[Shilohsfoal]

1 minute ago, Renskedejonge said:

I'm not a preterist but that did happen in 70 AD.

 

20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Jesus came in 70 ad,?

 

²⁷ And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

 

You really should try comparing scripture.Luke 21 is the same speech Jesus gave in Mathew 24 and mark 13.They are simply different accounts of the same speech.And no,Luke 21,Mathew 24 and mark 13 was not fulfilled in 70 ad.

 

 

[Shilohsfoal]

13 minutes ago, Renskedejonge said:

I'm not a preterist but that did happen in 70 AD.

 

20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Also,this same event of being carried away captive is recorded in other books as well.

It actually is fulfilled at the time of the end on the day of the Lord.

Zach 14

14 Behold, the day of the Lord is coming,
And your ^[a]spoil will be divided in your midst.
² For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses ^[b]rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

 

Amos 5

²⁶ You have lifted up the shrine of your king,
    the pedestal of your idols,
    the star of your god^[b]—
    which you made for yourselves.
²⁷ Therefore I will send you into exile beyond Damascus,”
    says the Lord, whose name is God Almighty.

 

 

Both these accounts by the prophets say Israel goes into captivity on the day of the Lord.Jesus even says the same thing in the gospel.

 

Mathew 8:11-12

 

¹¹ And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

¹² But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Edited December 25, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[RdJ]

1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Jesus came in 70 ad,?

 

²⁷ And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

 

You really should try comparing scripture.Luke 21 is the same speech Jesus gave in Mathew 24 and mark 13.They are simply different accounts of the same speech.And no,Luke 21,Mathew 24 and mark 13 was not fulfilled in 70 ad.

 

 

No that is of course in the future, but it is before they got sent into exile to all nations, which happened after 70AD. What if the time of the gentiles is now almost fulfilled? He would raise them up after 2 days according to Amos and it's almost 2030.