Shilohsfoal Posted December 19, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted December 19, 2023 2 hours ago, douggg said: 35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed. 36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. Daniel 11:36 picks up in the time of the end from verse 35. The king in verse 36 is the beast-king of Revelation 13, who has claimed to be god. That person become the beast-king because the ten kings, i.e. ten leaders of the Roman Empire manifested in the end times as the EU, in Revelation 17:17 hand their kingdom over to him. 17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. Becoming the king of the EU, or more appropriately the dictator of the EU, makes him the King of the West. ----------------------------------------------- All nations from the four directions of the compass will be drawn into the middle east at the end of the 7 years. nations of the West. nations of the South nations of the North nations of the East. All of Daniel 11:36-45 is about the king of the north. Show me where Daniel says anything about a king of the west here. 36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. 37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. 38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things. 39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain. 40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over. 41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. 42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. 43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps. 44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many. 45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted December 19, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,135 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Online Share Posted December 19, 2023 51 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: All of Daniel 11:36-45 is about the king of the north. Show me where Daniel says anything about a king of the west here. 36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. 37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. 38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things. 39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain. 40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over. 41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. 42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. 43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps. 44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many. 45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him. If one looks closely. 1. The king of the South (v.40) push against him. 2. The king of the North (v.40) shall come against him. 3. Those of the East (v.44) (200,000,000 strong) trouble him; and those out of the West are not mentioned (A/C army). In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted December 19, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted December 19, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Montana Marv said: If one looks closely. 1. The king of the South (v.40) push against him. 2. The king of the North (v.40) shall come against him. 3. Those of the East (v.44) (200,000,000 strong) trouble him; and those out of the West are not mentioned (A/C army). In Christ Montana Marv Doug said Daniel 11:45 is about a king of the west .Not east.Stop changing directions. Look closely at the subject of all these verses.The subject is the king of the north. 36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. 37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. 38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things. 39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain. 40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over. 41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. 42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. 43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps. 44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many. 45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him. Think about when you were in grade school and your teacher asked you who is the subject of this story.You would have been able to answer this in grade school. Edited December 19, 2023 by Shilohsfoal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted December 19, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,135 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Online Share Posted December 19, 2023 Think about it. The "He " in all these verses is the dragon Satan. Edom, Moab, and Ammon are where those of Judea are to flee to. Protected for 42 months. If one looks at a map, the only route for the army of the South is to pass through Jerusalem on their way to Armegeddon. Captives taken, women ravaged. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggg Posted December 19, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 19, 2023 8 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said: Show me where Daniel says anything about a king of the west here. To understand parts of Daniel, especially parts dealing with the time of the end, information must be taken from the New Testament. As the mystery of God unfolds. 36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. In 2Thessalonians2:4 reveals that person is the revealed man of sin who later becomes the beast-king of Revelation 13. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. ------------------------------------------- The term "king of the west" does not appear directly in the text of Daniel 11. Nor does "Jesus" by name appear in Daniel 7:13-14....but from the New Testament, we know that it is Him. I have already explained how the king in Daniel 11:36 becomes the beast-king in my previous post. So I am not going to repeat it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted December 19, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted December 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, douggg said: To understand parts of Daniel, especially parts dealing with the time of the end, information must be taken from the New Testament. As the mystery of God unfolds. 36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. In 2Thessalonians2:4 reveals that person is the revealed man of sin who later becomes the beast-king of Revelation 13. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. ------------------------------------------- The term "king of the west" does not appear directly in the text of Daniel 11. Nor does "Jesus" by name appear in Daniel 7:13-14....but from the New Testament, we know that it is Him. I have already explained how the king in Daniel 11:36 becomes the beast-king in my previous post. So I am not going to repeat it here. Everything you quote I've already memorized. Your problem is you can't understand because you can't keep a single verse in the context of the message The main character of Daniel 11:36-daniel 11:45 is the king of the north.And you are never going to understand who he is even though he has already appeared because you can't keep anything in context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggg Posted December 19, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 19, 2023 19 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: Everything you quote I've already memorized. Your problem is you can't understand because you can't keep a single verse in the context of the message The main character of Daniel 11:36-daniel 11:45 is the king of the north.And you are never going to understand who he is even though he has already appeared because you can't keep anything in context. Everything I wrote is in context. But you are not understanding the context, because you are not applying what God has revealed in the New Testament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted December 19, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted December 19, 2023 14 minutes ago, douggg said: Everything I wrote is in context. But you are not understanding the context, because you are not applying what God has revealed in the New Testament. Nothing you say is in context There is no king of the west here.None. 36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. 37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. 38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things. 39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain 40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over. 41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. 42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. 43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps. 44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many. 45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him. He in verse 45 is the same he in the previous verses.A child could understand that this is speaking of he king of the north. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggg Posted December 20, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 20, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Montana Marv said: Think about it. The "He " in all these verses is the dragon Satan. Edom, Moab, and Ammon are where those of Judea are to flee to. Protected for 42 months. If one looks at a map, the only route for the army of the South is to pass through Jerusalem on their way to Armegeddon. Captives taken, women ravaged. In Christ Montana Marv Marv, the "He" is not Satan. During the second half of the seven years, when Satan has been cast down to earth having but a time, times, half time left - he will be indwelling the statue image of the beast-king, placed on the temple mount in Jerusalem by the false prophet. People who worship that statue image will be unknowingly worshiping Satan. Satan's indwelling of the statue image is what makes it appear to come alive and speak. That statue image hiding Satan within will be brought to ashes at Jesus's return by the brightness of Jesus's coming. Satan will thus be exposed there on the temple mount for all to see on that day. Fulfilling Ezekiel 28:16-19. ----------------------------------------------------- 16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. 17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. 18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. 19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more. ------------------------------------------------------------ All the people who will have been worshipping the statue image - will be shocked when they find out that they really will have been worshipping Satan. Once exposed, in Revelation 20:1-3, an angel will descend from heaven and bind Satan will a chain and cast him into the bottomless pit prison. Edited December 20, 2023 by douggg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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