Time passes during the 7 years

[douggg]

Revelation chapters 6-19 content is about events that will take place in the 7 year 70th week.  Let us begin...

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In Revelation 11:3 time passes - the two witnesses testimony time is 1260 days.   Exactly half of a 2520 day 7 years.

The first half of the 7 years.

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Then moving into the second half, in Revelation 11:7-13 time passes - the two witnesses are killed and the bodies lay dead for 3 1/2 days before coming back to life and ascending to heaven.   That same hour an earthquake hits Jerusalem, and 7,000 die.    Then the 7th angel sounds.      So all together, I think we can say 4 days.

Then in Revelation 12:7-9 time passes - when the 7th angel sounds, that signals Michael and his angels to cast Satan and his angels down to earth from the second heaven.      The amount of time for the war is not stated.

Then in Revelation 12:14 - time passes - the woman given refuge in the wilderness, as Satan's little time left to persecute her is a time, times, a half time.

In Revelation 11:2, time passes - Jerusalem is trodden down by the gentiles 42 months.

In Revelation 13:5 time passes - the beast king rules for 42 months.

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So what we have is...

First half

 1260 days - the two witnesses

Second half

first, 4 days - for the two witnesses called up to heaven/the earthquake/the 7th angel sounding.   Leaving 1256 days left in the 7 years.

then, unstated time - for the war in the second heaven between Michael/his angels against Satan/his angels

then, time/times/half time - that Satan will have left

other activity in the Second half...

42 months (1256 days) of the beast king's rule, unhampered by the departed two witnesses.   Concurrent with the 42 months (1256 days) of the gentiles treading down Jerusalem. 

Edited December 9, 2023 by douggg

[douggg]

Hopefully, the opening post explains why we have three time expressions in Revelation.

1260 days

42 months (1256 days)

time/times/half time  (a little less than 1256 days)

Edited December 9, 2023 by douggg

[Montana Marv]

Another way to look at it.  What causes the A/C to want to set up the A/D at the midpoint of the 70th Week.  What changed?  It is quite possible that the appearance of the Two Witnesses sometime just before Midweek, and this  is what causes the A/C of the first 1,260 days to set up the A/D (cause and effect).  This allows their ministry to last a full 42 months, thus being killed just prior to the end of the 70th Week.  They overlap Mid week.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[douggg]

12 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Another way to look at it.  What causes the A/C to want to set up the A/D at the midpoint of the 70th Week.  What changed?  It is quite possible that the appearance of the Two Witnesses sometime just before Midweek, and this  is what causes the A/C of the first 1,260 days to set up the A/D (cause and effect).  This allows their ministry to last a full 42 months, thus being killed just prior to the end of the 70th Week.  They overlap Mid week.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Marv, the beginning of the 1260 days of the two witnesses is the same day that the Antichrist confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant to begin the 7 year 70th week.

Their 1260 days of testimony time is the first half of the 7 years.

Hopefully, I can communicate this clearly. Here goes...    Okay, I am going to jump right into Revelation 11 at verse 14.     An unlikely verse for the explanation, I know.

14The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

You got to know who is talking to understand in verse 14. It is the mighty angel from Revelation 10, who stands on the earth and sea and proclaims that the mystery of God would be finished in the days of the sounding of the 7th angel. That is where Revelation 11 is going - to get to where the 7th angel sounds.

Verse 14 in Revelation 11, is the mighty angel interjecting information that the second woe - as associated with the sixth trumpet has already been identified - which is the killing of a third of mankind by the 200,000,000 size army. And now it would soon be known what the third woe will be - because the 7th angel is about to sound his trumpet.

So when you are reading Revelation 10, 11, 12 - what it is all about is the mystery of God, that He declared to the prophets, being finished. Hinged on when the 7th trumpet sounds - which will also introduce what the third woe is. Which is Satan cast down to earth having great wrath in Revelation 12:12.

12Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Satan's short time left at that point is the time/times/half time. So the 1260 days of the two witnesses, which are before the 7th angel sounds in Revelation 11:15, makes up the first half of the seven years.

 

Edited December 10, 2023 by douggg

[Montana Marv]

19 hours ago, douggg said:

Hopefully, the opening post explains why we have three time expressions in Revelation.

1260 days

42 months (1256 days)

time/times/half time  (a little less than 1256 days)

The time/times/half time is/equivalent to 3 1/2 years, or 42 months, or 1260 days.  Nothing more, nothing less.  One can only use one time frame, it fits all.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[douggg]

2 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

The time/times/half time is/equivalent to 3 1/2 years, or 42 months, or 1260 days.  Nothing more, nothing less.  One can only use one time frame, it fits all.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Marv, if a person applies that rationale, they are not going to be able to correctly put the events of Revelation in order.

time/times/half time is "nominally"  3 1/2 years, but not exactly.

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Do you have a 2x4 piece of lumber around ?    If so, take a rule and measure the width and thickness.     It will not be 2 inches x 4 inches.     It will be 1 1/2 inches x 3 1/2 inches.

2x4's are "nominally" 2inches x 4inches - but not exactly.

 

 

[Montana Marv]

1 hour ago, douggg said:

Marv, if a person applies that rationale, they are not going to be able to correctly put the events of Revelation in order.

time/times/half time is "nominally"  3 1/2 years, but not exactly.

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Do you have a 2x4 piece of lumber around ?    If so, take a rule and measure the width and thickness.     It will not be 2 inches x 4 inches.     It will be 1 1/2 inches x 3 1/2 inches.

2x4's are "nominally" 2inches x 4inches - but not exactly.

 

 

Lumber is 3 1/2 inches so when one adds 1/2 inch sheet rock to it, it is a 4  1/2 inch wall. Sheet rock both sides. 

This analogy has nothing to do with scripture. 

If a person doesn't use exact measurements or timelines as indicated,  then their numbers will be off.  How far off are the measurements of the New Jerusalem then, if not exactly given. 

In Christ 

Montana Marv 

[Shilohsfoal]

On 12/9/2023 at 4:45 PM, douggg said:

Revelation chapters 6-19 content is about events that will take place in the 7 year 70th week.  Let us begin...

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In Revelation 11:3 time passes - the two witnesses testimony time is 1260 days.   Exactly half of a 2520 day 7 years.

The first half of the 7 years.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Then moving into the second half, in Revelation 11:7-13 time passes - the two witnesses are killed and the bodies lay dead for 3 1/2 days before coming back to life and ascending to heaven.   That same hour an earthquake hits Jerusalem, and 7,000 die.    Then the 7th angel sounds.      So all together, I think we can say 4 days.

Then in Revelation 12:7-9 time passes - when the 7th angel sounds, that signals Michael and his angels to cast Satan and his angels down to earth from the second heaven.      The amount of time for the war is not stated.

Then in Revelation 12:14 - time passes - the woman given refuge in the wilderness, as Satan's little time left to persecute her is a time, times, a half time.

In Revelation 11:2, time passes - Jerusalem is trodden down by the gentiles 42 months.

In Revelation 13:5 time passes - the beast king rules for 42 months.

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So what we have is...

First half

 1260 days - the two witnesses

Second half

first, 4 days - for the two witnesses called up to heaven/the earthquake/the 7th angel sounding.   Leaving 1256 days left in the 7 years.

then, unstated time - for the war in the second heaven between Michael/his angels against Satan/his angels

then, time/times/half time - that Satan will have left

other activity in the Second half...

42 months (1256 days) of the beast king's rule, unhampered by the departed two witnesses.   Concurrent with the 42 months (1256 days) of the gentiles treading down Jerusalem. 

Let me get this right.

 

You believe after the kingdom of this world becomes Christs and he reigns over the earth ,that you believe the beast reigns in Christs kingdom upon earth?

 

Revelation 11

¹⁵ The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:

“The kingdom of the world has become
    the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
    and he will reign for ever and ever.”

 

 

I'm just not seeing where it says the beast reigns here.From my understanding the beast is destroyed at Christs coming so where do you get the beast continues to reign with Christ?

[Shilohsfoal]

3 hours ago, douggg said:

Marv, if a person applies that rationale, they are not going to be able to correctly put the events of Revelation in order.

time/times/half time is "nominally"  3 1/2 years, but not exactly.

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Do you have a 2x4 piece of lumber around ?    If so, take a rule and measure the width and thickness.     It will not be 2 inches x 4 inches.     It will be 1 1/2 inches x 3 1/2 inches.

2x4's are "nominally" 2inches x 4inches - but not exactly.

 

 

Saw mill lumber is 2×4 so if your working on an old house that is what your going to be faced with.

2×4s that have been planed measure 1.5×3.5.

I work on a lot of very old houses.

[douggg]

15 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Let me get this right.

 

You believe after the kingdom of this world becomes Christs and he reigns over the earth ,that you believe the beast reigns in Christs kingdom upon earth?

 

Revelation 11

¹⁵ The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:

“The kingdom of the world has become
    the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
    and he will reign for ever and ever.”

 

 

I'm just not seeing where it says the beast reigns here.From my understanding the beast is destroyed at Christs coming so where do you get the beast continues to reign with Christ?

When the 7th angel sounds, it is the beginning of the end for Satan, and his grip over the nations.   There will rejoicing in heaven because the time has finally come for Satan's end. 

When Satan is cast down to earth, he will have a time/times/half time left, which will be concurrent with the 42 months reign of the beast-king.

When Jesus returns, the beast-king will be cast into the lake of fire, along with the false prophet.     And Satan bound and cast into the bottomless pit.