Time passes during the 7 years

[Paul2]

     Consider this.

  The 7 Seals, 7 trumpets, and the 7 vials of wrath all happen in Heaven as a ceremony taking place on the very day of the Second Coming, the last day of Daniel's 70th week.

   John, who witnessed this ceremony was being shown the EFFECTS of the 7 seals, 7 trumpets, and 7 vials and their timing during the 70th week of Daniel on earth. John is seeing visions of the effects. When it says there was silence in Heaven for half an hour, the ceremony went silent for half an hour and resumed. The earthquake of the 6th seal happens when Jesus Christ is descending to the earth at His Second Coming. Look at the verses. Every Island, Every Mountain!

 Revelation 6:12-17  "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;  ;

¹³ And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

¹⁴ And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

¹⁵ And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

¹⁶ And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

¹⁷ For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

     If you see the Last Day ceremony for what it is, everything makes perfect sense.  Jesus opens the 7 seals, and John travels through time in his vision to see their effects. John was at the ceremony in Heaven on The Lord's Day, the day Jesus returns and takes possession of the earth.

      The events triggered by the 7 seals, 7 trumpets, and 7 vials are not all in chronological order. The fifth trumpet is when Satan is cast to the earth at the Mid-Week of Daniel's 70th week. On the same day, Antichrist kills the 2 witnesses and commits the Abomination of Desolation causing Jews to flee to the wilderness for the 1260 days remain of the second half of Daniel's 70th week.

    John did not see a 7 year long ceremony. He saw the gathering of the Ceremony when Jesus took the Title Deed of the earth from the Hand of God, the Father. At the conclusion of the ceremony Jesus Christ decsends to earth with His WIFE, the Raptured Church. Understand the ceremony of the 7 seals, 7 trumpets, and 7 vials all took place in Heaven hours, before His Second Coming, and everything will fall into place.

Edited December 15, 2023 by Paul2
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[Shilohsfoal]

57 minutes ago, douggg said:

The sequence in Revelation 12 is 1260 days, then the war in heaven (the second heaven) time, then the time, times, half time.

The total is 7 years.

The abomination of desolation setup until Jesus returns is 1335 days (Daniel 12:11-12).    The 1335 days can fit into 7 years - but the 1335 days cannot fit into 1260 days.

 

The woman flees to the wilderness

The woman flees to the wilderness.

 

You don't add them together.She only goes into the wilderness once.Your just trying hard as you can to make 7 years out of 3.5 years.

[Shilohsfoal]

11 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

Where within the Trumpet judgments does this Armageddon happen.  Nice to know.

Antiochus Epiphanes the Syrian king gives a different story  (Daniel 11:31) "they will set up the "A/D" which according to history was the sacrifice of a swine.  This is a type of the A/D in the 70th Week.

You have a lot undocumented ideas.

According to Rev 9:20.  The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues of the 6th Trumpet, still did not repent, and did not stop worshiping demons and idols.  I have no idea of any claim of 70% claiming to be in Christ.  They worship demons and idols.

In Christ

Montana Marv

The armed forces don't drop swine on Jerusalem to make it desolation.They drop a nuke on it.

You honestly believe everyone in judea will flee because someone kills a pig?

This is what Jesus said about the abomination that causes desolation.

 

¹⁹ For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

²⁰ And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

 

Sound like the armed forces kills a pig to you?

[Shilohsfoal]

18 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

Where within the Trumpet judgments does this Armageddon happen.  Nice to know.

Antiochus Epiphanes the Syrian king gives a different story  (Daniel 11:31) "they will set up the "A/D" which according to history was the sacrifice of a swine.  This is a type of the A/D in the 70th Week.

You have a lot undocumented ideas.

According to Rev 9:20.  The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues of the 6th Trumpet, still did not repent, and did not stop worshiping demons and idols.  I have no idea of any claim of 70% claiming to be in Christ.  They worship demons and idols.

In Christ

Montana Marv

PS

Your dead pig is undocumented in the word of God No where does it say the armed forces put a pig in Jerusalem to make it desolate (meaning,without inhabitant).

Edited December 15, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[Paul2]

6 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

The woman flees to the wilderness

The woman flees to the wilderness.

 

You don't add them together.She only goes into the wilderness once.Your just trying hard as you can to make 7 years out of 3.5 years.

1260 days after the Mid Week Jesus returns to earth. 30 days later He Cleanses the Temple, 45 days later the nations are finished being judged.

[Shilohsfoal]

34 minutes ago, Paul2 said:

1260 days after the Mid Week Jesus returns to earth. 30 days later He Cleanses the Temple, 45 days later the nations are finished being judged.

Mid week?

 Wednesday?

 

At the beginning of 1260 days the woman flees into the wilderness while two witnesses are killing and tormenting people.That will cause people to flee.

After the 1260 days those two witnesses are killed.

From my understanding those two witnesses show up in Israel about 27 days after the daily sacrifice is abolished.The abomination of desolation is placed in Jerusalem the same day the two witnesses are revived and they ascend into heaven in a cloud while heaven  is burning with a fervent heat on the day of the Lord.

Edited December 15, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[douggg]

2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

The woman flees to the wilderness

The woman flees to the wilderness.

 

You don't add them together.She only goes into the wilderness once.Your just trying hard as you can to make 7 years out of 3.5 years.

Revelation 12:6, the wilderness is the land of Israel, that the woman flees to - to escape the persecution of Satan while in the nations.    Such as, during the holocaust during WWII.

Revelation 12:14, the wilderness is the mountains within Israel, as Jesus said for the Jews to do when they see the abomination of desolation standing on the temple mount, the holy place, in Matthew 24:15-21.

The seven years of Daniel 9:27 are the seven years of Revelation 12.     1260 days, the first half.

The time, times, half time of the second half.

 

 

[Shilohsfoal]

4 hours ago, douggg said:

Revelation 12:6, the wilderness is the land of Israel, that the woman flees to - to escape the persecution of Satan while in the nations.    Such as, during the holocaust during WWII.

Revelation 12:14, the wilderness is the mountains within Israel, as Jesus said for the Jews to do when they see the abomination of desolation standing on the temple mount, the holy place, in Matthew 24:15-21.

The seven years of Daniel 9:27 are the seven years of Revelation 12.     1260 days, the first half.

The time, times, half time of the second half.

 

 

 

You say she flees into the wilderness for 3.5 years then she flees into the wilderness for another 3.5 years.

That makes no sense at all.

 

Why would she need to flee into the wilderness a second time when she is already there?

 

⁶ And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

 

¹⁴ And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

 

 

How could she fly into the wilderness the second time when she is already in the wilderness?

[douggg]

2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

 

You say she flees into the wilderness for 3.5 years then she flees into the wilderness for another 3.5 years.

That makes no sense at all.

 

Why would she need to flee into the wilderness a second time when she is already there?

 

⁶ And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

 

¹⁴ And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

 

 

How could she fly into the wilderness the second time when she is already in the wilderness?

Because the wilderness in Revelation 12:14 is the mountains in Israel.

The wilderness in Revelation 12:6 is the land of Israel as a whole.   The Jews following WWII came out of the nations and back into the land of Israel.    They then formed the nation of Israel again in May 14, 1948.

The 1260 days in Revelation 12:6 is the testimony time of the two witnesses in Jerusalem.   First half of the 7 years.

[Shilohsfoal]

8 hours ago, douggg said:

Because the wilderness in Revelation 12:14 is the mountains in Israel.

The wilderness in Revelation 12:6 is the land of Israel as a whole.   The Jews following WWII came out of the nations and back into the land of Israel.    They then formed the nation of Israel again in May 14, 1948.

The 1260 days in Revelation 12:6 is the testimony time of the two witnesses in Jerusalem.   First half of the 7 years.

Next thing your going to say is the wilderness is a cave in the wilderness.

The people who flee to the mountains on the day of the Lord are fleeing to caves because of the nuke that was just placed in Jerusalem.

 

The woman does not fly to the wilderness when she is already in the wilderness.