Mr. M Posted March 19 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 743 Topics Per Day: 1.33 Content Count: 3,893 Content Per Day: 6.99 Reputation: 1,798 Days Won: 12 Joined: 10/28/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1956 Share Posted March 19 17 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said: Please do not mention the word doctrine because we are discussing from scripture. I am able to explain what I posted about being clean from the pollution of the Idols. 2 hours ago, Mr. M said: Romans 1: 3 concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, 4 and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead. Geneology proves bloodline for prophetic fulfillment. (son of man) The Resurrection is the prove of Divinity. (Son of God). Where does this doctrine of "clean flesh" come from? 6 and Jesse begot David the king. David the king begot Solomon... Surely you do not believe that Solomon remained free from the pollution of idols! And what about David and innocent blood? What does all this have to do with what I posted. You have not responded to the scriptures, or answered the questions. All I asked for is scriptures to support this "clean flesh" idea, notion, if you have a problem with the word doctrine. Scriptures, not whatever that is you posted. The idea that everyone in the Lord's genealogy was free from idols is untenable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted March 20 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,862 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,763 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Online Share Posted March 20 58 minutes ago, Mr. M said: What does all this have to do with what I posted. You have not responded to the scriptures, or answered the questions. All I asked for is scriptures to support this "clean flesh" idea, notion, if you have a problem with the word doctrine. Scriptures, not whatever that is you posted. The idea that everyone in the Lord's genealogy was free from idols is untenable. That's not what I said. Under the Covenant of Cirumcision before the Law was given their sins were not held against them because they were in the righteousness of Abraham through the Covenant of Cirumcision and they were not Judged for their sins. Their sins were not held against them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. M Posted March 20 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 743 Topics Per Day: 1.33 Content Count: 3,893 Content Per Day: 6.99 Reputation: 1,798 Days Won: 12 Joined: 10/28/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1956 Share Posted March 20 11 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said: That's not what I said. Under the Covenant of Cirumcision before the Law was given their sins were not held against them because they were in the righteousness of Abraham through the Covenant of Cirumcision and they were not Judged for their sins. Their sins were not held against them. David and Solomon are part of Messiah's genealogy, they sinned under Law. Solomon defiled the Temple Mount with idols. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marathoner Posted March 20 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 72 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,225 Content Per Day: 7.08 Reputation: 13,221 Days Won: 99 Joined: 05/24/2020 Status: Online Share Posted March 20 1 hour ago, Mr. M said: The idea that everyone in the Lord's genealogy was free from idols is untenable. Indeed, brother. We need to look no further than Rahab, who was a prostitute in Jericho. Rahab is part of the Son of Man's genealogy as recorded in the first chapter of Matthew. Rahab is mentioned again in Hebrews 11 as a woman of faith who received the spies in Jericho. This pleased the Lord. The very notion that this body of corruption (the flesh) is pure or will be made pure is not scriptural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted March 20 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,862 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,763 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Online Share Posted March 20 12 minutes ago, Mr. M said: David and Solomon are part of Messiah's genealogy, they sinned under Law. Solomon defiled the Temple Mount with idols. They were forgiven. The Lord forgave them. Solomon himself did not worship the Idols he allowed his wives to follow in their religions and the Lord did not hold it against him on account to his promise to his father King David. They were not cut off from the Lord. David never worship the Idols. Mary was by the testimony of the Angel Gabriel found favor before God. That says something about her standing before the Lord. Abraham and the Israelites were set aside from the rest of the world. In life and after death. They were not Gentiles. God chosen Abraham because he was a righteous man and he gave him righteousness by faith in his promise so he remained in righteousness towards God no matter what. The Israelites were a Holy Nation to the Lord that time under the Covenant of Sinai. Under the Covenant of Cirumcision were under the righteousness of their Patriarch Abraham by oath. The Lord all the time preserved a raiment unto himself who they did not worship the Idols. Solomon did not worship the Idols. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. M Posted March 20 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 743 Topics Per Day: 1.33 Content Count: 3,893 Content Per Day: 6.99 Reputation: 1,798 Days Won: 12 Joined: 10/28/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1956 Share Posted March 20 2 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said: They were forgiven. The Lord forgave them. Solomon himself did not worship the Idols he allowed his wives to follow in their religions and the Lord did not hold it against him on account to his promise to his father King David. They were not cut off from the Lord Solomon violated every precept laid out for the king... Deuteronomy 17: 16 But he shall not multiply horses for himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt to multiply horses, for the Lord has said to you, ‘You shall not return that way again.’ 17 Neither shall he multiply wives for himself, lest his heart turn away; nor shall he greatly multiply silver and gold for himself. He most certainly was not forgiven. He was punished by having 10 tribes taken from him and given to his enemy. Your knowledge is not in line with the accounts of scripture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RdJ Posted March 20 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 67 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,143 Content Per Day: 0.37 Reputation: 647 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/11/2015 Status: Online Birthday: 05/25/1970 Share Posted March 20 2 minutes ago, Mr. M said: Solomon violated every precept laid out for the king... Deuteronomy 17: 16 But he shall not multiply horses for himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt to multiply horses, for the Lord has said to you, ‘You shall not return that way again.’ 17 Neither shall he multiply wives for himself, lest his heart turn away; nor shall he greatly multiply silver and gold for himself. He most certainly was not forgiven. He was punished by having 10 tribes taken from him and given to his enemy. Your knowledge is not in line with the accounts of scripture. But he's not in hell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. M Posted March 20 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 743 Topics Per Day: 1.33 Content Count: 3,893 Content Per Day: 6.99 Reputation: 1,798 Days Won: 12 Joined: 10/28/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1956 Share Posted March 20 Just now, RdJ said: But he's not in hell. But he is in Christ's genealogy. Still not sure what the "clean flesh" provision is about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueFollowerOfChrist Posted March 20 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,046 Content Per Day: 1.61 Reputation: 593 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/26/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted March 20 12 minutes ago, RdJ said: But he's not in hell. Does scripture say that? The man worshipped every god known by the pagan cultures of his day. Are you saying it's possible to completely turn your back on God and follow false idols and still go to Heaven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RdJ Posted March 20 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 67 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,143 Content Per Day: 0.37 Reputation: 647 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/11/2015 Status: Online Birthday: 05/25/1970 Share Posted March 20 6 minutes ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said: Does scripture say that? The man worshipped every god known by the pagan cultures of his day. Are you saying it's possible to completely turn your back on God and follow false idols and still go to Heaven? Yes maybe not always but in the O.T. they could also have more women and it was fine. Nowadays better repent from that. 1 Chronicles 28:6 He said to me, ‘It is Solomon your son who shall build my house and my courts, for I have chosen him to be my son, and I will be his Father. https://www.gotquestions.org/was-Solomon-saved.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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