Your closest friendnt Posted March 24 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,853 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,761 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 24 (edited) On 3/24/2024 at 11:09 AM, Vine Abider said: Sorry you took some offence - I was merely trying to point out the silliness of things like eggs, rabbits and Santa Claus being incorporated into these celebrations. It not about me that matter, and because I am thick skin it does not mean that I should remain silent on this matter. There a lot of Christians even dedicated ones who allowed their children to participate in the kind of activities many Christians do not approve but that does not mean there is no value and room for teaching within those customs. Some believers participate and see something they can be communicated about Jesus relevant to our faith. And others who are not in the Christian faith participate with their children with their reasons and some they participate just for the fun of it, as they are inosent and outdoors activities, spring activities when earth is rejuvenate in the North part but in the South part they are getting ready to welcome the Autum. How strange it is that all the people even in the south part of the Earth they are getting ready to celebrate the Christian Passover. That has nothing to do with the Spring in the south Emespher of the earth waiting for the Fall when everything is changing in the opposite way as in the North. There Symbolic equations that can be made the subject of discussion among the people who participate in those activities and many can benefit to understand about what Jesus has accomplished in his mission and many can become interested to look into that later and accept an invitation to visit a church. Christians should be encouraged to participate because it is an opportunity for a gentle way to reach others even others from other countries about the good news. Like brother @backontrack said; there are a lot opportunities to introduce others to the Gospel as things happen around us. Somethings we may do not like, may also be doors open for evangelism. Edited March 27 by Your closest friendnt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted March 24 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 241 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 6,942 Content Per Day: 3.27 Reputation: 4,867 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Author Share Posted March 24 39 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said: There Symbolic equitation that can be made the subject of discussion among the people who participate in those activities and many can benefit to understand about what Jesus has accomplished in his mission and many can become interested to look into that later and accept an invitation to visit a church. Symbolic Equitation ??? equitation noun eq·ui·ta·tion ˌe-kwə-ˈtā-shən : the act or art of riding on horseback 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted March 24 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,853 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,761 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 24 (edited) 19 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said: Your days are still off. First I would like to say, Its funny how early today you were defending Good Friday as the day Jesus died and then rose before Sunday morning which is less than 1.5 days in the grave to this new view and now act like you are a subject matter expert on this topic. lol Being that Jesus was crucified on the preparation day (13th of Nisan) before Passover (14th of Nisan) and was placed into the tomb BEFORE the sun went down in order to avoid defiling the high sabbath/Passover day. (We know that Jesus died around 3pm aka ninth hour) Therefore, Jesus was placed in the tomb somewhere between 3pm and sunset. Had to be before sunset to avoid defiling the high Sabbath. The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and [that] they might be taken away. [Jhn 19:31 KJV] This would mean on the evening of 16th of Nisan(Sat/Sabbath) before sunset would be the 3rd full day and would be the day he rose from the grave, because when the women who brought spices to the tomb on Sunday before sunrise said he was not there meaning the resurrection had already happened before they arrived. Hello @Jedi4Yahweh I have come to understand that we need to established a common platform before we begin to discuss, we should agree on the basic information from the book of Leviticus. From the book of Leviticus the Passover is on the 14th day of the first month of the Jewish religious Calendar which begins at the end of March or at the beginning of April. Spring in the Northern Emespher of the earth, and Cannan was located in the Northern Emespher and it was the beginning of Spring. Passover is on the 14th of Nissan the first month of the Leviticus Calendar. But not always on the same day of the week. And following the Passover is the first day of the Celebration of the Unleavened Bread which last seven days. The first day of the Unleavened Bread Holidays is the day after the Passover Holiday the 15th day of the first month Nisan or Abib. While the 14th the Passover day is not a HIGH HOLIDAY THE FIRST DAY THE OF THE UNLEAVENED BREAD HOLIDAY IS 15TH IS A HIGH HOLIDAY. In the book of Leviticus the 1st and the last day of the Unleavened Bread Holidays are HIGH HOLIDAYS. THEY ARE THE TWO HIGH HOLIDAYS in spring and the other two HIGH HOLIDAYS are in the Fall. The First Day of the feast of Unleavened Bread the 15th of Nissan is a High HOLIDAY and is treated like any Sabbath like no work or anything else was allowed to be done. From the book of Leviticus we can know what was the special things that took place on that day that they did not take on the weekly Sabbath day. Edited March 24 by Your closest friendnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vine Abider Posted March 24 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 6 Topic Count: 201 Topics Per Day: 0.37 Content Count: 3,427 Content Per Day: 6.24 Reputation: 2,283 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/25/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/2024 Share Posted March 24 46 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said: It not about me that matter, and because I am thick skin it does not mean that I should remain silent on this matter. There a lot of Christians even dedicated ones who allowed their children to participate in the kind of activities many Christians do not approve but that does not mean there is no value and room for teaching within those customs. Some believers participate and see something they can be communicated about Jesus relevant to our faith. And others who are not in the Christian faith participate with their children with their reasons and some they participate just for the fun of it, as they are inosent and outdoors activities, spring activities when earth is rejuvenate in the North part but in the South part they are getting ready to welcome the Autum. How strange it is that all the people even in the south part of the Earth they are getting ready to celebrate the Christian Passover. That has nothing to do with the Spring in the south Emespher of the earth waiting for the Fall when everything is changing in the opposite way as in the North. There Symbolic equitation that can be made the subject of discussion among the people who participate in those activities and many can benefit to understand about what Jesus has accomplished in his mission and many can become interested to look into that later and accept an invitation to visit a church. Christians should be encouraged to participate because it is an opportunity for a gentle way to reach others even others from other countries about the good news. Like brother @backontrack said; there a lot of opportunities to introduce others to the Gospel as things happen around us. Somethings we may do not like, may also be doors open for evangelism. Agree completely that these things should not put up a barrier for us to witness to others, and that the Lord can use these things . . . He can use anything and often does! My comment is about how many times these things (Easter bunnies, eggs & Santa Clause) are mentioned in the bible. These things are (at least) leaven to the pure word of God, which leaven was brought in by man. Unsaved ones may then focus on these extemporaneous things and not see anything whatsoever concerning the gospel of Christ. And perhaps that is fine for those outside the church. Paul actually tells us not to judge things outside the church. But Easter bunnies, colored eggs and Santa Clause are things many Christian groups embrace in some way - these things, in and of themselves, do little to nothing to further the good news of Christ in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted March 24 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,853 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,761 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 24 2 minutes ago, Vine Abider said: Agree completely that these things should not put up a barrier for us to witness to others, and that the Lord can use these things . . . He can use anything and often does! My comment is about how many times these things (Easter bunnies, eggs & Santa Clause) are mentioned in the bible. These things are (at least) leaven to the pure word of God, which leaven was brought in by man. Unsaved ones may then focus on these extemporaneous things and not see anything whatsoever concerning the gospel of Christ. And perhaps that is fine for those outside the church. Paul actually tells us not to judge things outside the church. But Easter bunnies, colored eggs and Santa Clause are things many Christian groups embrace in some way - these things, in and of themselves, do little to nothing to further the good news of Christ in my opinion. Jesus teach people from the things around them as the things around fishermen and around Shepherds and agriculture. And their customs in their Nation. I do not think that Jesus would object to other nations culture to be used for Symbolic use they way he did. Because he knew that the Gospel will be preached in deferent cultures and people having their culture they will be invited to believe. As they are saturated with their culture because that's what they know. And everything takes time and Paul knew that very well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi4Yahweh Posted March 24 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,955 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 634 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/12/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted March 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said: Hello @Jedi4Yahweh I have come to understand that we need to established a common platform before we begin to discuss, we should agree on the basic information from the book of Leviticus. From the book of Leviticus the Passover is on the 14th day of the first month of the Jewish religious Calendar which begins at the end of March or at the beginning of April. Spring in the Northern Emespher of the earth, and Cannan was located in the Northern Emespher and it was the beginning of Spring. Passover is on the 14th of Nissan the first month of the Leviticus Calendar. But not always on the same day of the week. And following the Passover is the first day of the Celebration of the Unleavened Bread which last seven days. The first day of the Unleavened Bread Holidays is the day after the Passover Holiday the 15th day of the first month Nisan or Abib. While the 14th the Passover day is not a HIGH HOLIDAY THE FIRST DAY THE OF THE UNLEAVENED BREAD HOLIDAY IS 15TH IS A HIGH HOLIDAY. In the book of Leviticus the 1st and the last day of the Unleavened Bread Holidays are HIGH HOLIDAYS. THEY ARE THE TWO HIGH HOLIDAYS in spring and the other two HIGH HOLIDAYS are in the Fall. The First Day of the feast of Unleavened Bread the 15th of Nissan is a High HOLIDAY and is treated like any Sabbath like no work or anything else was allowed to be done. From the book of Leviticus we can know what was the special things that took place on that day that they did not take on the weekly Sabbath day. Yes, I understand. It gets confusing. There are a few schools of thought on this. Some say that Passover and Feast of Unleavened bread overlap each other making Passover as the first day and regarded as a Sabbath. Then there are other schools of thought that say the first day of Unleavened Bread is the high holiday treated like a Sabbath. Today most Jews treat Passover and Feast of Unleavened bread as one event starting on the 15th of Nisan through 22nd. So now throw in the Preparation day as spoken in the gospel as when Jesus was crucified and it gets even more confusing. Sabbaths have preparation days, so was the NT authors calling the Passover a preparation day? Then on top of all this if you throw in the ancient Hebrew Luner calendar which is different from the current Jewish Calendar it gets even more confusing. Some people celebrate Passover based on ancient Hebrew Luner Calendar vs. the current Jewish Calendar and have completely different dates for Passover. Edited March 24 by Jedi4Yahweh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted March 24 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,853 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,761 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 24 (edited) On 3/24/2024 at 6:54 PM, Jedi4Yahweh said: Yes, I understand. It gets confusing. There are a few schools of thought on this. Some say that Passover and Feast of Unleavened bread overlap each other making Passover as the first day and regarded as a Sabbath. Then there are other schools of thought that say the first day of Unleavened Bread is the high holiday treated like a Sabbath. Today most Jews treat Passover and Feast of Unleavened bread as one event starting on the 15th of Nisan through 22nd. So now throw in the Preparation day as spoken in the gospel as when Jesus was crucified and it gets even more confusing. Sabbaths have preparation days, so was the NT authors calling the Passover a preparation day? Then on top of all this if you throw in the ancient Hebrew Luner calendar which is different from the current Jewish Calendar it gets even more confusing. Some people celebrate Passover based on ancient Hebrew Luner Calendar vs. the current Jewish Calendar and have completely different dates for Passover. I try to bring clarity to the issues at hand and I put the emphasis according to the introductions in Leviticus. And you also brought my attention there about the day starting at twilight time which the time of the sunset at that time of the at about seven o'clock. What they were following that specific time is important and we should start that they were Celebrating according to the book of Leviticus for it was a big thing that they all do the same thing on the first day of the Unleavened Bread which the 15th and which is distinguish from the 14th and the 16 but not the 21st the seven day of the Unleavened Bread. The 15th and the 21st were High Holidays even though they were treated the same as the Sabath Day in that no work was done and Holy unto the Lord but it has its special propose as those two days were two of the four High Holidays in the Calendar the other two were in Autumn. This is the question we are looking from what we gave in the scriptures on what day of the week was the first day of the Unleavened Bread. Can we find this out from what we have in the scriptures. Because there is a lot of arguments about the specific year and the day of the week because every year the day of the week is different the day of the month it is always the fifteen but not the day of the week. To say Sabbath it has the meaning a day dedicated to the Lord, no work and for the specific propose for that day as it is written in the book of Leviticus. Jesus celebrated the Passover do we have any reason to say that this was not the set day for the Passover and perhaps we can begin to look as if the Passover supper was eaten at what time of the 14th of Nissan or Abib. That day the 14th it started at the beginning of the twilight for that day at sunset but still there wa light for about half hour as usual after sunset and before sunrise. What do you think when the people were looking forwards to the Passover supper would they have a regular dinner before sunset on the 13th or looking forwards to the Passover supper they would wait to have the Passover supper after a few hours of the sunset..and it seems that what Jesus and the disciples did because later on the took a walk they sang hymns on the way to the Garden of Gethsemane where Jesus was praying and the disciples fall asleep. It was night at that time within the twilight and Judas went out to meet them before the end of the twilight or before the sunrise. They aproch Jesus and the disciples carrying torches and lanterns for light. A lot earlier than than the time when the rooster crow at the time Peter denied that he was the disciple of Jesus Christ, just before the Sunrise. On the same day Jesus ate the Passover with his disciples and Peter looked at Jesus when the rooster crow. This is the same day Jesus was Crucified. Edited March 26 by Your closest friendnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted March 24 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,853 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,761 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 24 @Vine Abider You are indeed a good brother and you are not prejudice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted March 25 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,853 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,761 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 25 3 hours ago, Michael37 said: Symbolic Equitation ??? equitation noun eq·ui·ta·tion ˌe-kwə-ˈtā-shən : the act or art of riding on horseback Thank you, the word should have been "equation". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted March 25 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 241 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 6,942 Content Per Day: 3.27 Reputation: 4,867 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Author Share Posted March 25 2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said: Thank you, the word should have been "equation". Well, the Lord did ride a young donkey. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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