Not me Posted April 28 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 514 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 3,196 Content Per Day: 1.43 Reputation: 3,358 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/06/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted April 28 Luke 9:23 (NASB20) And He was saying to them all, “If anyone wants to come after Me, he must deny himself, take up his cross daily, and follow Me. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What part of our salvation are the words ‘take up his cross’ meant to portray…? The simplicity that is in Christ Jesus makes our salvation as simple as believing what God has said He did for mankind… This, what God said He did for mankind is believing that when Jesus died on the cross for the sins of the world He did this by taking all of mankind with Him to death…. Thereby fulfilling the law that says, ‘the soul that sins that soul shall die’…. For mankind’s death with Christ on the cross is how Christ fulfilled the law concerning man, thereby God can be ‘both just and the justifier of him that has faith in Jesus’….. For to the degree and depth one believes this truth, to that degree and depth will that one walk in newness of life… For taking up one’s cross is one willingly taking their place, by faith, on the cross of Christ with Him, grabbing onto His death as one’s own…. Taking up one’s cross is meant to portray this faith that would willingly grab unto His death as one’s own death rather than sin…. For this is the purpose of this faith to free one from the power of sin that one was born under when they were born into this world…. For one’s death does free one from all the power that sin has over the believer, it is this willingness to believe in one’s death with Christ on the cross that is the faith that frees…. For this faith that is willing to die rather than sin is the faith that will experience Christ being formed in one, it being the new creation that sins not…. For it, the new creation is a new life that Christ needs to bring to life in one, this life man himself can not bring to life, but is something Christ can and will do if man will accept the salvation offered in Christ and choose to be dead on the cross with Christ…. Thereby as scripture says, ‘take up one’s cross daily’, meaning, that by faith remain on that cross through all the circumstances of life…. For this is the one and only way to be made free from all the influences of one’s fallen nature, which nature has been separated from one by one’s death on the cross with Christ…. For the believer is to live by faith, that faith being that when Christ died on the cross He took all with Him to death, taking up one’s cross is by faith holding onto this truth that He might bring to life in one the new creation without the hands of self tainting it with that which self can do, or, in other words, ‘that which is not of faith’… For our salvation is a free gift, it can have nothing of self in it so one might not glory in oneself but in what Christ Himself has done in and for one…. The cross being that place of separation, blessed are they that do indeed embrace by faith their death in Christ, for the salvation offered in Christ as a living reality will be experienced by the faith that so grabs unto this taking up one’s cross and by faith trusting Christ to live His life in and through, being that life that sins not…. For if one is not grabbing onto their death in Christ one is not taking up their cross and is leaving something on the table that was meant to be experienced by the believing one…. To the experiencing of the freedom of the new life that the cross brings to life in the believing one….. Unto Him, Not me 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi Posted April 28 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 59 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,798 Content Per Day: 1.03 Reputation: 323 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted April 28 1 hour ago, Not me said: Luke 9:23 (NASB20) And He was saying to them all, “If anyone wants to come after Me, he must deny himself, take up his cross daily, and follow Me. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What part of our salvation are the words ‘take up his cross’ meant to portray…? Discipleship is what the Lord is referring to about those who take up their cross daily and come after Him. The Lord also warns us though, to make sure you have enough in your spiritual self, before attempting so, or you may very well not succeed according to Luke 14:26-33. Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. 27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. Luke 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not me Posted April 28 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 514 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 3,196 Content Per Day: 1.43 Reputation: 3,358 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/06/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 28 26 minutes ago, luigi said: Discipleship is what the Lord is referring to about those who take up their cross daily and come after Him. The Lord also warns us though, to make sure you have enough in your spiritual self, before attempting so, or you may very well not succeed according to Luke 14:26-33. Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. 27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. Luke 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple. May you be blessed in your discipleship of our Lord…. A fellow follower, Not me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi Posted April 28 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 59 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,798 Content Per Day: 1.03 Reputation: 323 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted April 28 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Not me said: May you be blessed in your discipleship of our Lord…. A fellow follower, Not me May the Lord also bless you, Not me. I, however, do not believe myself to meet the criteria for discipleship. I am more like yourself and others who like the vast majority of believers in Christ, still hold to our lives in this world. Edited April 28 by luigi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not me Posted April 28 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 514 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 3,196 Content Per Day: 1.43 Reputation: 3,358 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/06/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 28 5 minutes ago, luigi said: May the Lord also bless you, Not me. I, however, do not believe myself to meet the criteria for discipleship. I am more like yourself and others who like the vast majority of believers in Christ, still hold to our lives in this world. I hold true that one’s death on the cross with Christ is the foundation of discipleship….. May that discipleship ever be increasing, a fellow believer, Not me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOrangeCat Posted April 28 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 57 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,414 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 1,836 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/24/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted April 28 In recent years the "daily" part is something that continually stands out to me about the verse. Every day we try to be dead to not only sin but also our own desires. These desires may not be inherently sinful per se but at the same time aren't in line with what God wants for us at a given time. Sometimes it can take a lot to submit to God on such matters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marathoner Posted April 28 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 73 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,295 Content Per Day: 7.10 Reputation: 13,323 Days Won: 99 Joined: 05/24/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted April 28 (edited) 31 minutes ago, AnOrangeCat said: In recent years the "daily" part is something that continually stands out to me about the verse. Every day we try to be dead to not only sin but also our own desires. These desires may not be inherently sinful per se but at the same time aren't in line with what God wants for us at a given time. Sometimes it can take a lot to submit to God on such matters. Indeed. That's all part of the process for us. I believe that the apostle Paul stated it well: All things are permitted for me, but not all things are of benefit. All things are permitted for me, but I will not be mastered by anything. (1 Corinthians 6:12 NASB) Our brother @Vine Abider summed it up perfectly some time ago when he wrote (I paraphrase), "What does the Life say?;" which means, what does our Lord have to say about the matter? Ask Him. He will answer. In my experience, trivial matters are just that: they're trivial, not deserving of obsession nor agonizing on our part. Examples? What to eat. What to wear. Feeling angry or becoming upset (a consequence of emotions). Experiencing temptation (it's going to happen). And so on. We may trust that if a matter is important, the Spirit will inform us of what we need to know. That's faith in the Lord. We trust Him. I'll never forget when I came to the realization that the Lord does not require us to be like "Vulcans" of fiction. The key is to strive to be mastered by nothing. Edited April 28 by Marathoner 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not me Posted April 29 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 514 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 3,196 Content Per Day: 1.43 Reputation: 3,358 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/06/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 29 9 hours ago, AnOrangeCat said: In recent years the "daily" part is something that continually stands out to me about the verse. Every day we try to be dead to not only sin but also our own desires. These desires may not be inherently sinful per se but at the same time aren't in line with what God wants for us at a given time. Sometimes it can take a lot to submit to God on such matters. I’m of the heart that when one recognizes the daily draw, it is evidence of Christ being formed in one… Oh may the Lord increase that recognizing for our growing in Him… Many blessings, a fellow grower, Not me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farouk Posted April 29 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,561 Content Per Day: 12.13 Reputation: 3,350 Days Won: 31 Joined: 11/18/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted April 29 Hi @Not me See that Luke 9.23 says, 'daily' taking up one's cross........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not me Posted April 29 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 514 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 3,196 Content Per Day: 1.43 Reputation: 3,358 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/06/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 29 7 hours ago, farouk said: Hi @Not me See that Luke 9.23 says, 'daily' taking up one's cross........... Hello and yes, for it is the daily that causes growth… Oh before God may be that daily, blessings Farouk, may unto Him be our all…. A fellow follower, Not me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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