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Acts 3:16

NKJV ------- “Yes, the FAITH which comes through Him …”

LB ---------- “FAITH in Jesus’ name — FAITH given to us from God …”
 

Acts 13:48

KJV ------------------- “… as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.”

NLT ------------------- “… all who were chosen for eternal life became believers.”

The ordaining and choosing comes BEFORE believing.

Acts 16:14

NKJV, NASB “… the Lord opened her heart to respond to the things spoken by Paul.”

NLT, LB ---- “… the Lord opened her heart, and she accepted what Paul was saying.”

For Lydia to accept what Paul was saying, it was necessary for God to open her heart.

2 Peter 1:1

NASB --------- “To those who have received a FAITH of the same kind as ours …”

NLT ----------- “This FAITH was given to you …”

LB ------------ “… the kind (of FAITH) that Jesus Christ our God and Savior gives to us.”

Faith is given by God and received by us.

Jude 3

KJV, NKJV, NASB “… the FAITH which was once for all delivered to the saints.”

NLT -------------- “… the FAITH that God has entrusted once for all time to His holy people.”

LB --------------- “… the truth which God gave, once for all, to His people …”

Faith is entrusted to certain people and given to them.

 Joe HEARS the Gospel >>> God gives the FAITH required >>> Joe BELIEVES the Gospel

All of the NT verses can be shown to agree with election,

for example … “All that the Father gives to Me will come to Me …

of all He (Father God) has given to Me I should lose nothing …

No one can (is able to) come to Me unless the Father who sent Me

draws (Greek: compels, draws) him … no one can (is able to) come to Me

unless it has been granted to him by My Father.” (John 6:37, 44, 65)

Is fallen man so drastically fallen that he is NOT able to come to Jesus?

Really? … is the giving of FAITH not enough? … Really?

Must fallen man be compelled (forced even) to believe in Jesus?

Some erroneously teach that man just chooses to believe … and he/she is saved forever.

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Posted (edited)

There was a slight error in the OP, so I repeat the John 6 passage here ...

“All that the Father gives to Me will come to Me …

of all He (Father God) has given to Me I should lose nothing …

No one can (is able to) come to Me unless the Father who sent Me

draws (Greek: compels, drags) himno one can (is able to) come to Me

unless it has been granted to him by My Father.” (John 6:37, 44, 65)

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On 12/6/2024 at 1:05 PM, Osterloh said:

Acts 3:16

NKJV ------- “Yes, the FAITH which comes through Him …”

LB ---------- “FAITH in Jesus’ name — FAITH given to us from God …”
 

Acts 13:48

KJV ------------------- “… as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.”

NLT ------------------- “… all who were chosen for eternal life became believers.”

The ordaining and choosing comes BEFORE believing.

Acts 16:14

NKJV, NASB “… the Lord opened her heart to respond to the things spoken by Paul.”

NLT, LB ---- “… the Lord opened her heart, and she accepted what Paul was saying.”

For Lydia to accept what Paul was saying, it was necessary for God to open her heart.

2 Peter 1:1

NASB --------- “To those who have received a FAITH of the same kind as ours …”

NLT ----------- “This FAITH was given to you …”

LB ------------ “… the kind (of FAITH) that Jesus Christ our God and Savior gives to us.”

Faith is given by God and received by us.

Jude 3

KJV, NKJV, NASB “… the FAITH which was once for all delivered to the saints.”

NLT -------------- “… the FAITH that God has entrusted once for all time to His holy people.”

LB --------------- “… the truth which God gave, once for all, to His people …”

Faith is entrusted to certain people and given to them.

 Joe HEARS the Gospel >>> God gives the FAITH required >>> Joe BELIEVES the Gospel

All of the NT verses can be shown to agree with election,

for example … “All that the Father gives to Me will come to Me …

of all He (Father God) has given to Me I should lose nothing …

No one can (is able to) come to Me unless the Father who sent Me

draws (Greek: compels, draws) him … no one can (is able to) come to Me

unless it has been granted to him by My Father.” (John 6:37, 44, 65)

Is fallen man so drastically fallen that he is NOT able to come to Jesus?

Really? … is the giving of FAITH not enough? … Really?

Must fallen man be compelled (forced even) to believe in Jesus?

Some erroneously teach that man just chooses to believe … and he/she is saved forever.

Very nicely done! I didn't really notice Acts 16:14 until you mentioned it. 

I don't know if you know this already, but if you compare the following verses from the KJV with any of the newer translations your jaw might drop:

ROMANS 3:22

GALATIANS 2:16

GALATIANS 2:20

GALATIANS 3:22

EPHESIANS 3:12

PHILIPPIANS 3:9

And there is more. Let me know what you find. 


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To believe in Jesus Christ is granted/given by grace Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

If something is given or granted to one,then its something naturally or originally they dont have. And the word given is the greek word χαρίζομαι:

 

to do something pleasant or agreeable (to one), to do a favour to, gratify

  1. to show one's self gracious, kind, benevolent

  2. to grant forgiveness, to pardon

  3. to give graciously, give freely, bestow

    1. to forgive

    2. Its made of the greek word charis which is translated grace over 100 times in the NT

    3. So to believe on Christ is bestowed as a Gift of Grace

    4. So I believe I agree with the OP

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