Free from sin?

[Live2believe]

4 hours ago, lrs68 said:

The Apostle Paul, who wrote 13 Letters and most likely 14 if we include the Book of Hebrews made the claim that he killed his flesh daily and dealt with temptations to sin all of the time.  So it's safe to believe that even Paul never made it to a sinless state while on earth but he was very much like all of us in this discussion. 

Please show in the Bible where Paul said that "he killed his flesh daily and dealt with temptations to sin all of the time".

[Live2believe]

8 hours ago, Orion said:

Since you categorizrd it as a joke, and if at the time it was spoken it was umderstood as a joke, yes, it is sin. 

"Sin is the transgression of the law" (1 John 3:4). What law was here transgressed?

[Live2believe]

8 hours ago, LastDaysJames said:

If you are talking about a real person that you know, then it is an insult, and yes, that would be wrong. But if you are just using the name "bill" for the sake of the joke, than no, it is not wrong (and kinda funny)

Thank you, this is exactly my point.

[Orion]

54 minutes ago, Live2believe said:

"Sin is the transgression of the law" (1 John 3:4). What law was here transgressed?

When you understand which  law are we under, you will understand which law was transgressed. 

[lrs68]

1 hour ago, Live2believe said:

Please show in the Bible where Paul said that "he killed his flesh daily and dealt with temptations to sin all of the time".

1 Corinthians 15 Paul claims that he dies daily and in Galatians 5 Paul says he crucifies his flesh and in Romans 7 Paul said he deals with wanting to do the old things he used to do.

[farouk]

38 minutes ago, lrs68 said:

1 Corinthians 15 Paul claims that he dies daily and in Galatians 5 Paul says he crucifies his flesh and in Romans 7 Paul said he deals with wanting to do the old things he used to do.

Romans 8.13 also speaks about mortification through the Spirit...........

[Live2believe]

22 hours ago, lrs68 said:

1 Corinthians 15 Paul claims that he dies daily and in Galatians 5 Paul says he crucifies his flesh and in Romans 7 Paul said he deals with wanting to do the old things he used to do.

Previously you wrote that Paul said that "he killed his flesh daily and dealt with temptations to sin all of the time". Let's investigate the scriptures you listed in context.

Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

And why stand we in jeopardy every hour?

I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die. (1 Corinthians 15:29-32)

Paul is saying that he dies daily by endangering his life fighting with beasts, and if there is no resurrection his trials are in vain. He is NOT saying that he killed his flesh daily (fighting with sin).

 

And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts (Galatians 5:24)

Paul is saying that the believers HAVE crucified the flesh (it has been done, completed), NOT that they are doing this daily.

 

In Romans chapter 7, Paul described how he dealt with temptations to sin, but it was not all of the time. In Romans chapter 7, Paul described himself BEFORE the Holy Spirit came, for contrast. And in chapter 8 he shows the change the Holy Spirit made. Please compare:

What a poor man I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?

 I thank my God by Jesus Christ our Lord. Therefore the same I with my mind serve the law of God, but with my flesh the law of sin. (Romans 7:24,25)

 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who in Christ Jesus, who do not live according to the flesh, but according to the spirit,

because the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set me free from the law of sin and death. (Romans 8:1,2)

 Also, please consider Romans 6:

Thanks be to God that you, who were formerly slaves to sin, have have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which you were entrusted.

But then made free from sin, you became the servants of righteousness. (Romans 6:17,18).

Notice that Paul speaks of himself in chapter 7 as a captive of sin, and in chapters 6 and 8 as having been delivered from the captivity of sin.

Edited May 11 by Live2believe

[Live2believe]

23 hours ago, Orion said:

When you understand which  law are we under, you will understand which law was transgressed. 

Please help me understand which law we are under and how telling a joke will be transgressing this law.

[lrs68]

25 minutes ago, Live2believe said:

Previously you wrote that Paul said that "he killed his flesh daily and dealt with temptations to sin all of the time". Let's investigate the scriptures you listed in context.

Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

And why stand we in jeopardy every hour?

I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die. (1 Corinthians 15:29-32)

Paul is saying that he dies daily by endangering his life fighting with beasts, and if there is no resurrection his trials are in vain. He is NOT saying that he killed his flesh daily (fighting with sin).

 

And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts (Galatians 5:24)

Paul is saying that the believers HAVE crucified the flesh (it has been done, completed), NOT that they are doing this daily.

 

In Romans chapter 7, Paul described how he dealt with temptations to sin, but it was not all of the time. In Romans chapter 7, Paul described himself BEFORE the Holy Spirit came, for contrast. And in chapter 8 he shows the change the Holy Spirit made. Please compare:

What a poor man I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?

 I thank my God by Jesus Christ our Lord. Therefore the same I with my mind serve the law of God, but with my flesh the law of sin. (Romans 7:24,25)

 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who in Christ Jesus, who do not live according to the flesh, but according to the spirit,

because the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set me free from the law of sin and death. (Romans 8:1,2)

 Also, please consider Romans 6:

Thanks be to God that you, who were formerly slaves to sin, have have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which you were entrusted.

But then made free from sin, you became the servants of righteousness. (Romans 6:17,18).

Notice that Paul speaks of himself in chapter 7 as a captive of sin, and in chapters 6 and 8 as having been delivered from the captivity of sin.

I presented Scripture and if choose to ignore that's up to you but those are authentic scriptures.

[Live2believe]

22 minutes ago, lrs68 said:

I presented Scripture and if choose to ignore that's up to you but those are authentic scriptures.

I did not ignore them. Just the oposite, I quoted all these Scriptures you presented and showed that your interpretation of them was incorrect.