Alien Beings

[shanbopop]

Didnt really have time to read it..But do you believe aliens are fallen angels?

[Openly Curious]

Didnt really have time to read it..But do you believe aliens are fallen angels?

No I do not believe aliens are fallen angels and it would really be helpful for you to go back and read post #69 in your spare time and yes Satan according to Ephesians 2:2 is the "Prince of the air" I do believe that the fallen angel can disguise themselves in the form of an alien being in order to decieve but do not once again believe aliens are fallen angels.

God Bless

Openly Curious

[Guest Bpoppa56]

There are only a 2 types of created intelligent beings mentioned in the Bible. They are angel and man. With that being said aliens in my opinion are fallen angels who are attempting to deceive man into thinking we are the result of guided evolution and not a special creation of and by God. look at all the info associated with aliens and the message and it is always anti God and pro evolution. Should clear up the origin easy enough.

Hello All,

Just curious about what other Christians believe in regards to alien beings.

Do you believe them to be real or believe they are just a hoax?

Do you have scriptures to back up what your beliefs are in regards to the aliens either, true or false?

I have my own opinions regarding this subject and have no agenda here. I just want to know what other Christians believe and feel about this subject.

God Bless You All and thank you in advance for a good chat.

Openly Curious

[Openly Curious]

There are only a 2 types of created intelligent beings mentioned in the Bible. They are angel and man. With that being said aliens in my opinion are fallen angels who are attempting to deceive man into thinking we are the result of guided evolution and not a special creation of and by God. look at all the info associated with aliens and the message and it is always anti God and pro evolution. Should clear up the origin easy enough.

Hello All,

Just curious about what other Christians believe in regards to alien beings.

Do you believe them to be real or believe they are just a hoax?

Do you have scriptures to back up what your beliefs are in regards to the aliens either, true or false?

I have my own opinions regarding this subject and have no agenda here. I just want to know what other Christians believe and feel about this subject.

God Bless You All and thank you in advance for a good chat.

Openly Curious

Hello, Bpoppa56,

Very well put

God Bless

OC

[shanbopop]

Ezekiel 1:16-The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.

Beryllium(a derivative of Beryl)is what we use today on our shuttles to withstand the heat and friction of outer space travel.

Also 2 Kings 2:11 reads-As they walked on conversing, a flaming chariot and flaming horses came between them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind.

Sounds like spacecraft to me..

[Openly Curious]

Ezekiel 1:16-The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.

Beryllium(a derivative of Beryl)is what we use today on our shuttles to withstand the heat and friction of outer space travel.

Also 2 Kings 2:11 reads-As they walked on conversing, a flaming chariot and flaming horses came between them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind.

Sounds like spacecraft to me..

[nish_law]

I've often wondered what He meant here.

John10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

[Karen C.]

Here is some info for those who wish to see this from the Christian perspective. Many Theologians hold to the fallen angel view.

The Bible, as you know, speaks of "times and seasons" in the affairs of men (cf, Dan 2:21, Acts 1:7, 1 Th 5:1). Times are those major divisions of history which are marked by a special character. The Bible speaks, for instance, of the "times of ignorance," (Acts 17:30) and by that it is referring to the ages before the coming of Christ, when men lived in relative ignorance of the understanding of God. It speaks again of the "times of the restitution of all things," (Acts 3:21 KJV) in the future when God would work out all his purposes and unite all things together in Christ. We use language somewhat similar. We speak of the Dark Ages, characterized by widespread ignorance and moral darkness. But seasons are those divisions of time in which certain events come to the fore.

Remember that Jesus said to his disciples after his resurrection, "the times and seasons are not for you to know," (cf, Acts 1:7). They will unfold as history goes on its way, but we cannot predict when they will occur in the span of time. It is very important that we recognize these divisions when they do occur, and especially to understand what our Lord meant when he said, "As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the days of the coming of the Son of Man," (cf, Matt 24:37). Now we are studying the days of Noah. Our Lord linked these two epochs together and said that one is the parallel of the other. If we are living in the days immediately preceding the return of Jesus Christ we shall find similar conditions to the days of Noah. So in Genesis 6 we have the real story behind the headlines of history. Here we find three steps traced for us that mark the signs of the imminent collapse of civilization.

The first one is given to us in Verses 1 through 4 and, as we shall see, it is that of a demonic invasion:

When men began to multiply on the face of the ground and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were fair; and they took to wife such of them as they chose. Then the Lord said, "My a spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh, but his days shall he a hundred and twenty years." The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown. (Gen 6:1-4 RSV)

Interest immediately focuses on the question, Who were these sons of God? What kind of beings did these strange things?

One suggestion that we must take note of is that here we have the blending of two lines; the line of Cain, and the line of Seth (which have been followed briefly in previous chapters); and that here is the intermarriage between these two lines, that of the godly (the line of Seth), and the ungodly (the line of Cain). But there are several severe objections to this idea. One, of course, is that this would make the line of Cain the "sons of God," and that hardly seems fitting in view of the character that is given to us in the Bible of Cain and his descendants. It seems much more likely that that description would be applied to the sons of Seth, rather than those of Cain. Then, too, it appears that the ungodly have only sons, while the godly have daughters.

Now that is a perfectly acceptable view as far as I am concerned, since I have four daughters. But it hardly seems possible to accept such a view. It is all too clear that this theory does not take account of all the factors evidenced.

There is an alternative view that takes note of the fact that in Scripture it is only by a specific divine act of creation that any being can be termed a son of God. God is a Spirit, and man is flesh, and in the New Testament we are told that "that which is born of the flesh is flesh, but that which is born of the Spirit is spirit," (John 3:6 RSV). So you cannot have men of the flesh termed sons of God, except a divine creative act be performed. In the New Testament, Adam is called a son of God because he is the direct result of divine creation, Jesus Christ is called the Son of God because he is eternally begotten of the Father; and believers are called sons of God because they are born again by faith in Jesus Christ, in a divine creative act.

Also, in the Bible, angels are called sons of God for they came directly from the creating hand of God and are not reproduced sexually, as men are. It is interesting that in the Old Testament every other use of this term sons of God refers to the angels. You will find in the book of Job that the angels are called sons of God (Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7).

Now we learn from Jude and Peter in the New Testament that there was a fall of angels, and the time of that fall is given as "the days of Noah." There are two very interesting passages that link up with Genesis 6. In First Peter, Chapter 3, we have a passage that has been a puzzle to many but which does directly apply to this account: Peter says of Jesus that he went "in the spirit" and preached to "the spirits in prison," (1 Pet 3:19). Now, there has been much controversy as to what this meant.

Some have thought it meant that Jesus descended into hell and preached to the spirits in hell during the three days between his crucifixion and resurrection. Personally, I do not ascribe to that theory at all. I think it means that it was through the Spirit that Jesus preached in the days of Noah, speaking in the person of Noah. Noah, we are told, was "a preacher of righteousness" (2 Pet 2:5), and the Spirit of Christ preached through him. But, at any rate, that is somewhat beside the point.

The passage goes on to say that these were spirits in prison,

...who formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water. (1 Pet 3:20 RSV)

Also in Second Peter, Chapter 2, Verse 4, Peter recounts a fall of the angels:

For if God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to the pits, of nether gloom to be kept until the judgment; if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, (2 Pet 2:4-5a RSV)

Note that he links this fall with the days of Noah. Then in the book of Jude we have another reference to this event:

And the angels that did not keep their own position but left their proper dwelling have been kept by him in eternal chains in the nether gloom until the judgment of the great day; just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire. (Jude 1:6-7 RSV)

There Jude gives us the nature of the sin of the angels. He said it was like that in Sodom and Gomorrah; it was "unnatural lust." This you can see is directly in parallel with the statement in Genesis 6, that the "sons of God" came in to "the daughters of men" and married them, taking wives as they chose. This is evidently regarded in the Scriptures as an unnatural act. Thus we have the picture of fallen angels joining in sexual intercourse with the daughters of men and producing a strange race.

There have been those who object to this idea by pointing out that Jesus said that angels are sexless. In Matthew 22, Verse 30, he does say that those who are in the resurrection "will neither marry nor be given in marriage, but are like the angels in heaven." It must be noted, however, that he adds the words, "in heaven," as opposed to the angels in hell. Some have suggested that perhaps there was a time when angels did have sexual powers, and this, of course, would permit the kind of thing recorded here. However, it seems more likely that the explanation is given to us by Jude when he says of these angels that they "left their proper dwelling" (Jude 1:6), and presumably took up improper dwelling places. Now bodies, in Scripture, are called dwelling places. The very term Jude uses is, elsewhere in Scripture, applied to the body. Its use here implies that the angels took up residence where they did not belong. This, therefore, is suggestive of what we have in the New Testament in the days of our Lord, in the many, many cases of demonic possession recorded so frequently in the pages of the gospels. Evil spirits, fallen angels, possessed the bodies of men, and these demon-possessed men married women and produced a race of strange beings called here in Genesis 6, "the Nephilim." They were a race of giants. The word Nephilim is confirming of this whole idea, because it means "the fallen ones."

All this strongly suggests that demonic possession has the ability to affect genetic structure. The chromosomes are changed so that the progeny are markedly different; a sort of mutation takes place, and the result is a pronounced change in the children of such a union. We know today that meth & other prescription drugs have this kind of an effect upon the genetic structure. Chromosomal changes take place and children can be malformed and mentally deficient because of the use of meth & other prescription drugs by their parents. It is interesting that, in the book of Revelation, the Bible links drugs with demonism and suggests that drugs are a means by which the human spirit is opened up to the control of demonic beings.

http://www.ldolphin.org/nephilim.html

http://www.khouse.org/topical_bible_study/nephilim/

Blessings, Karen

[shanbopop]

Ezekiel 1:16-The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.

Beryllium(a derivative of Beryl)is what we use today on our shuttles to withstand the heat and friction of outer space travel.

Also 2 Kings 2:11 reads-As they walked on conversing, a flaming chariot and flaming horses came between them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind.

Sounds like spacecraft to me..

Hello and yes it is a fiercesome looking sight for sure that is being described in chapter 1 of Ezekiel flashing lights and eyes all around it. You should really go back and read post #28 of this thread in which I discuss this very subject that is within this passage of Ezekiel. Even address what the wheels are.

You are exactly correct in the color of beryl. And it is what they use on the space shuttles and when most people describe spaceships from outer space they are usually in this color of beryl.

The passage of scripture in 2 Kings 2:11 was a "literal chariot of fire" which had horses attached to it as well. The whole thing was fire both the horses and the chariot itself. An artist who can draw should paint or draw a picture of this site for it is an awesome sight as well but this was a literal chariot of fire within the spirit realm that came to Elijah as it was sent down by God to transport the Lord's servant up from this earth into the presence of God. The chariot of fire came in order to take Elijah the prophet to heaven.

This should not be misconstrued with a space craft from outer space (meaning from aliens or another race of people on another planet, or other intellegent life) but it was sent directly by God himself.

It is also a really great story to just sit down and read. The prophet of Elijah is a very interesting prophet especially in regards to the special relationship he had with God.

God Bless and don't forget to read post #28

Openly Curious

Chariots of fire could be literally just that...or the best way Ezekiel could decribe the crafts that he seen.

Edited March 22, 2006 by shanbopop

[Openly Curious]

Here is some info for those who wish to see this from the Christian perspective. Many Theologians hold to the fallen angel view.

The Bible, as you know, speaks of "times and seasons" in the affairs of men (cf, Dan 2:21, Acts 1:7, 1 Th 5:1). Times are those major divisions of history which are marked by a special character. The Bible speaks, for instance, of the "times of ignorance," (Acts 17:30) and by that it is referring to the ages before the coming of Christ, when men lived in relative ignorance of the understanding of God. It speaks again of the "times of the restitution of all things," (Acts 3:21 KJV) in the future when God would work out all his purposes and unite all things together in Christ. We use language somewhat similar. We speak of the Dark Ages, characterized by widespread ignorance and moral darkness. But seasons are those divisions of time in which certain events come to the fore.

Remember that Jesus said to his disciples after his resurrection, "the times and seasons are not for you to know," (cf, Acts 1:7). They will unfold as history goes on its way, but we cannot predict when they will occur in the span of time. It is very important that we recognize these divisions when they do occur, and especially to understand what our Lord meant when he said, "As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the days of the coming of the Son of Man," (cf, Matt 24:37). Now we are studying the days of Noah. Our Lord linked these two epochs together and said that one is the parallel of the other. If we are living in the days immediately preceding the return of Jesus Christ we shall find similar conditions to the days of Noah. So in Genesis 6 we have the real story behind the headlines of history. Here we find three steps traced for us that mark the signs of the imminent collapse of civilization.

The first one is given to us in Verses 1 through 4 and, as we shall see, it is that of a demonic invasion:

When men began to multiply on the face of the ground and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were fair; and they took to wife such of them as they chose. Then the Lord said, "My a spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh, but his days shall he a hundred and twenty years." The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown. (Gen 6:1-4 RSV)

Interest immediately focuses on the question, Who were these sons of God? What kind of beings did these strange things?

One suggestion that we must take note of is that here we have the blending of two lines; the line of Cain, and the line of Seth (which have been followed briefly in previous chapters); and that here is the intermarriage between these two lines, that of the godly (the line of Seth), and the ungodly (the line of Cain). But there are several severe objections to this idea. One, of course, is that this would make the line of Cain the "sons of God," and that hardly seems fitting in view of the character that is given to us in the Bible of Cain and his descendants. It seems much more likely that that description would be applied to the sons of Seth, rather than those of Cain. Then, too, it appears that the ungodly have only sons, while the godly have daughters.

Now that is a perfectly acceptable view as far as I am concerned, since I have four daughters. But it hardly seems possible to accept such a view. It is all too clear that this theory does not take account of all the factors evidenced.

There is an alternative view that takes note of the fact that in Scripture it is only by a specific divine act of creation that any being can be termed a son of God. God is a Spirit, and man is flesh, and in the New Testament we are told that "that which is born of the flesh is flesh, but that which is born of the Spirit is spirit," (John 3:6 RSV). So you cannot have men of the flesh termed sons of God, except a divine creative act be performed. In the New Testament, Adam is called a son of God because he is the direct result of divine creation, Jesus Christ is called the Son of God because he is eternally begotten of the Father; and believers are called sons of God because they are born again by faith in Jesus Christ, in a divine creative act.

Also, in the Bible, angels are called sons of God for they came directly from the creating hand of God and are not reproduced sexually, as men are. It is interesting that in the Old Testament every other use of this term sons of God refers to the angels. You will find in the book of Job that the angels are called sons of God (Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7).

Now we learn from Jude and Peter in the New Testament that there was a fall of angels, and the time of that fall is given as "the days of Noah." There are two very interesting passages that link up with Genesis 6. In First Peter, Chapter 3, we have a passage that has been a puzzle to many but which does directly apply to this account: Peter says of Jesus that he went "in the spirit" and preached to "the spirits in prison," (1 Pet 3:19). Now, there has been much controversy as to what this meant.

Some have thought it meant that Jesus descended into hell and preached to the spirits in hell during the three days between his crucifixion and resurrection. Personally, I do not ascribe to that theory at all. I think it means that it was through the Spirit that Jesus preached in the days of Noah, speaking in the person of Noah. Noah, we are told, was "a preacher of righteousness" (2 Pet 2:5), and the Spirit of Christ preached through him. But, at any rate, that is somewhat beside the point.

The passage goes on to say that these were spirits in prison,

...who formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water. (1 Pet 3:20 RSV)

Also in Second Peter, Chapter 2, Verse 4, Peter recounts a fall of the angels:

For if God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to the pits, of nether gloom to be kept until the judgment; if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, (2 Pet 2:4-5a RSV)

Note that he links this fall with the days of Noah. Then in the book of Jude we have another reference to this event:

And the angels that did not keep their own position but left their proper dwelling have been kept by him in eternal chains in the nether gloom until the judgment of the great day; just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire. (Jude 1:6-7 RSV)

There Jude gives us the nature of the sin of the angels. He said it was like that in Sodom and Gomorrah; it was "unnatural lust." This you can see is directly in parallel with the statement in Genesis 6, that the "sons of God" came in to "the daughters of men" and married them, taking wives as they chose. This is evidently regarded in the Scriptures as an unnatural act. Thus we have the picture of fallen angels joining in sexual intercourse with the daughters of men and producing a strange race.

There have been those who object to this idea by pointing out that Jesus said that angels are sexless. In Matthew 22, Verse 30, he does say that those who are in the resurrection "will neither marry nor be given in marriage, but are like the angels in heaven." It must be noted, however, that he adds the words, "in heaven," as opposed to the angels in hell. Some have suggested that perhaps there was a time when angels did have sexual powers, and this, of course, would permit the kind of thing recorded here. However, it seems more likely that the explanation is given to us by Jude when he says of these angels that they "left their proper dwelling" (Jude 1:6), and presumably took up improper dwelling places. Now bodies, in Scripture, are called dwelling places. The very term Jude uses is, elsewhere in Scripture, applied to the body. Its use here implies that the angels took up residence where they did not belong. This, therefore, is suggestive of what we have in the New Testament in the days of our Lord, in the many, many cases of demonic possession recorded so frequently in the pages of the gospels. Evil spirits, fallen angels, possessed the bodies of men, and these demon-possessed men married women and produced a race of strange beings called here in Genesis 6, "the Nephilim." They were a race of giants. The word Nephilim is confirming of this whole idea, because it means "the fallen ones."

All this strongly suggests that demonic possession has the ability to affect genetic structure. The chromosomes are changed so that the progeny are markedly different; a sort of mutation takes place, and the result is a pronounced change in the children of such a union. We know today that meth & other prescription drugs have this kind of an effect upon the genetic structure. Chromosomal changes take place and children can be malformed and mentally deficient because of the use of meth & other prescription drugs by their parents. It is interesting that, in the book of Revelation, the Bible links drugs with demonism and suggests that drugs are a means by which the human spirit is opened up to the control of demonic beings.

http://www.ldolphin.org/nephilim.html

http://www.khouse.org/topical_bible_study/nephilim/

Blessings, Karen

Hello KarenC,

That is very interesting information you have provided for us. I am familiar with the train of thoughts among the different ideas surrounding Genesis 6 and believe the sons of God are the angels who did leave their first estate.

I have even heard that those who are born and grow to be abnormally exta large are a result of that union what in Genesis 6 which is still popping up every now an then. For example Andra the Giant who is a wrestler on TV I don't know if you seen or know who he is but he is a giant compared to the size of a normal man. In the bible Goliath whom David slew was a giant as he had six fingers and toes. Also in another passage which escapes at the time maybe I'll look it up if I don't forget but it talks about a giant and describes his bed being I think it was 18 ft long. But I've heard it said that these extra large people are a result of that and every now and then we see it. I however do not know one way or the other but it does make sense in light of characteristics and the traits among other different things we inherit from our family line.

As far as Jesus going down into prison and preaching to those in prison is concerned. My thought from studying scriptures is that it was not "hell" itself. If you'll recall the passage in Luke 16 in the when the rich man die and went to hell and Lazarus went into Abraham's bosom. Well it also tells that their was a great gulf fixed between hell and the place where Lazurus was resting in the bosom of Abraham. And one couldn't leave hell to cross over to the other side. Well in the garden Adam sinned and the devil at that point took the human race captive (prisoners) and he had the keys to the jail cell from that point on. And when one died they went to one of these two places which are hell and Abraham's bosom which Abraham's bosom is paradise. So those who died and went to hell Satan held them captives and those who were righteous went to Paradise and Satan had them held captives as well their spirits couldn't go up to God because the devil held the keys at that time to death, hell and the grave.

Now when Jesus died on the cross I believe that he descending down into Paradise Abraham's bosom and not in hell on the other side of the gulf. I believe he literally preached to Abraham and all the prophets and the righteous that had died. People just like Lazarus was. I believe he preached and shed light on things for them until the third day and we know what happened then Jesus defeated Satan and took back the keys to death hell and the grave and took the ones held captive in paradise up to heaven with him as if says in Ephesians 4 he "lead captivity captive"

Adam was a type of Christ known in scriptures as the first Adam. Christ is known as the second Adam and just as Adam was the head of the human family on earth Jesus is the head of the spiritual family of God as the saints have been born again by the Spirit and it is through Christ shed blood we receive our eternal life.

Any it is food for thought and maybe will help you. I thank you for the information you have provided it was very interesting.

God Bless

Openly Curious