Openly Curious Posted March 25, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,568 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 770 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/18/2006 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 25, 2006 Doing what you are called to do is indeed heroic. Especially if you know that it will cost you your life. Obedience takes courage and there was absolutely NO failure in what Samson did in the end. OC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Openly Curious Posted March 25, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,568 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 770 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/18/2006 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 25, 2006 'Ovedya' Does yhis have anything to do with the thread about suicide, which was closed? Openly Curious The topic is Samson in this thread OC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabowd Posted March 25, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 112 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,489 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 13 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted March 25, 2006 Does yhis have anything to do with the thread about suicide, which was closed? Exactly what I was thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giaour Posted March 25, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 179 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,941 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/28/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/08/1964 Share Posted March 25, 2006 Does yhis have anything to do with the thread about suicide, which was closed? In a vague kind of way but I think it is more important to focus on Samsons self sacrifice as an act of answering his call from God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabowd Posted March 25, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 112 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,489 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 13 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted March 25, 2006 I have been reading this thread, and even if the idea for it came from the one about suicide, so what? Because if it did, it is somewhat disingenuous to start another thread so that a person can continue advocating something they started in another thread which got closed for a reason. If it's about something entirely different, or has an entirely different point...that's one thing. But I think Ovedya and some others (including myself) were just wondering about the intentions of this topic, considering how the other one went. I think it's a valid question, honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giaour Posted March 25, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 179 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,941 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/28/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/08/1964 Share Posted March 25, 2006 GIVING up your life for the glory of God is quite different than suicide Samson gave up his life, soldiers give up their lives, Jesus gave up his life ALL for the GLORY of God. Self-sacrifice is totally different than suicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giaour Posted March 25, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 179 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,941 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/28/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/08/1964 Share Posted March 25, 2006 Not that my opinion counts for anything but UNTIL this thread gets nasty, I think it is a valid discussion to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted March 25, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted March 25, 2006 ms nebula thank you for your response but my question and discussion is on the death of Samson was it heroic act or a failure on his part. It was not about the afterlife different subject altogher. I know - did I sound like I was thinking of that? The funny thing about asking if his final act was heroic or a failure is that the final act fits together with the story of his life - to leave out the preceding events that led him to that point does not convey the entire message. Failures led him to that point. But to the Israelites in that day, he died a hero. ms nebula In Samson zeal to destroy the Philistines who were the children of Israel's enemies. This was a feat that had risks involved with in it. Samson I do not think was thinking on those risks at the time but only destroying the enemies of God. I appologize, but I am not following your train of thought here. If he wasn't thinking of the risks, why did he cry to the Lord, "Allow me to die with the Philistines?" And you should not get that desire muddled up in your thinking. Samson sure he pushed down the pillars in the temple for a fact. But it was not by his own strenghth and power that reside within a mere human man. It was God himself that came upon the human vessel of Samson in the form of His Spirit and destroyed the Philistines himself and not Samson. But when people witness and testify to that event in history they see the man Samson in whom God used to bring about his will on His enemies. That is why it is said of Samson in his death he killed more of the Philistines than when he was alive. But the Lord gave Samson that strength to complete the task at Sampson's request. The Lord didn't make Sampson push the pillars down, Sampson asked the Lord to enable him to do so. So, I have a hard time seeing this as "God killed Sampson." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric Posted March 26, 2006 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 2 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,073 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/02/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/10/1923 Share Posted March 26, 2006 I agree with you, Butero. Any biblical topic is worthy of discussion. This OC's thread, she opened it, but I think that now she has criticised everyone else's response,it would be a good time if she expressed her own opinion and how she derived at that opinion. Myself, I am inclined to agree with AK, OC keeps on about it being God's strength. I consider it was Samaon's strengh, granted to him, in answer to his prayer for being obedient to destroy God's enemies. Just like Moses, Joshua and every other gtreat men of God, Samson was chosen by God for a purpose and as they were all obedient in carrying out the purposes,so was Samson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Openly Curious Posted March 26, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,568 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 770 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/18/2006 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 26, 2006 'Ovedya' Does yhis have anything to do with the thread about suicide, which was closed? Tess Exactly what I was thinking. Openly Curious The topic is pretty plain and it is on Samson if you have anything to say about the subject of Samson's death I will welcome your reponses. This is about Samson God Bless OC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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