CellShade Posted May 31, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 397 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/22/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted May 31, 2006 Like it or not, one day you will bow down and confess Jesus is God, so you better do it now so you don't have to do it when it will be no good to you. (Judgement Day) God loves you, like it or not, He has patience but you have to act quick,you never know when it's gonna be too late . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondeve Posted May 31, 2006 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 1 Topic Count: 117 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,276 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/02/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/21/1986 Share Posted May 31, 2006 Thanks, but I'll take my potentially false beliefs and integrity of self over Pascal's Wager any day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Posted May 31, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 583 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/07/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/14/1962 Share Posted May 31, 2006 I have to agree with you Cellshade, it is certainly a fools wager to deny Christ. Those who believe their own "wisdom" exceeds God's will be sadly and painfully corrected on that blessed day of Judgement. I am truly saddened to think of the image of them all groveling last minute before Him as they wait their turn for their eternal swim in the Lake. Deny Him now, He'll deny you then... I wish they could feel the amazing feeling of Christ working inside them like we do. We will continue to pray for them Christ's servant -CC- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted May 31, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.20 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted May 31, 2006 Thanks, but I'll take my potentially false beliefs and integrity of self over Pascal's Wager any day That wasn't Pascal's Wager at all. Pascal's Wager attempts to put both in the hypothetical and judges truth off the risk of belief. What Cellshade was stating was fact, not a hypothetical. There is a difference. Though you may take pride in your intellectual integrity, I will be honest; to deny Christ takes a massive desire to ignore logic. People reject Christ not because He is hard to believe in (though this is used and can be a legitimate barrier), but because He is so hard to follow. It is easier to deny He exists than to accept He is real and we are unwilling to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted Posted May 31, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 276 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 7,474 Content Per Day: 0.96 Reputation: 51 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/31/1966 Share Posted May 31, 2006 Thanks, but I'll take my potentially false beliefs and integrity of self over Pascal's Wager any day Hmm...well, you may take them over Pascal's wager, but are you saying that when confronted with the very Word of God, that you still will cling to self? Can you be that specific and sharpened and say, without question, that you are standing firm on your beliefs and will, without doubt, out and out reject Jesus Christ? Please don't rush to an answer. Take some time an actually think about the question. I mean, truly think about it for a few days and then let me know. Feel free to PM me if you would like. Blessings, t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkieDannsa' Air An Drochaid Posted May 31, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 59 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,390 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 9 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/24/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted May 31, 2006 When making any decision, it is important to make it a learned decision. Why not read the evidence that can show you the historical Jesus and what was said of Him in His Day and about the Bible before making your decision to accept or deny Him? WHy would you want to make any decisions without learning first all the things involved that can help you to see if it is rational to believe the Bible or not? Is there any evidence or proff about it? There is proof and if you read, The New Evidence That Demands A Verdict, you will have a better understanding of more than a boards post could ever tell you. It is scientific, rational learning. Why suspend learning about a Spiritual book, anymore than a secular books validity historically and more before a decision? The book is called, The New Evidence That Demands A Verdict, by Josh McDowell. I think that you won't be sorry for reading this and can better make your decision if you want to have Jesus or not. But, at least you will be informed scientifically, historically and much more by many, both Christian and non-Christiain..from every possible question. You can buy it online or in any Christian book store or order it either way. If you don't make an effort to learn if this is reliable Bible and Jesus prior to a decision, then it is simple willfull ignorance and is suspending all rational thought for a predetermined belief without having real authentic information. I challenge you to read this book and see what you think after, to make a learned decision. Hope you are willing to be honest about this with yourself enough to learn things that you would not know elsewise. hoping for you, elkie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Posted May 31, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 115 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 8,281 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/03/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/30/1955 Share Posted May 31, 2006 And I admire secondeve's intellectual honesty. Don't CLAIM to be convinced, if you're not convinced. It is important to be honest with yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Thomas I believe Posted May 31, 2006 Share Posted May 31, 2006 To discover the truth we have to get past ourselves, out of ourselves. I agree with the op, that time runs short. Eve you may not believe this, but God has been speaking to you. He has been since the first day you came to worthy. Maybe you should listen to what He's saying. None of us get here by accident or by coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondeve Posted June 1, 2006 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 1 Topic Count: 117 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,276 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/02/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/21/1986 Share Posted June 1, 2006 And I admire secondeve's intellectual honesty. Don't CLAIM to be convinced, if you're not convinced. It is important to be honest with yourself. Thanks, Leonard. For once I think we're in agreement. I was trying to say that, if God exists, but I don't think this is so, I'm not going to "convert" just to cover my bases, because that would cheapen both parties. If and when I convert, it will be wholehearted. I won't convert out of fear of my own mistakes, Cellshade, but because I come to believe entirely that it is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer of dreams Posted June 1, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 39 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 314 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/08/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted June 1, 2006 secondave, I can tell by the way you write that you are not a person of hate. I think your actually closer than some people who would rather turn their bibles on burstfire and preach intolerance. I believe that you wouldn't have come to a christian message board unless you were actually looking for something. I'm not saying your looking for God.......but something. I apologize if my assumptions are incorrect but you have been striking my curiousity so I guess I'm just being human in trying to label you as something. sry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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