Guest LivingWater Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 I believe in JESUS! Yes, I do believe that he died and rose again but I just found this scripture in Matthew, I think it's in Chapter 25 or 27 or something like that. It talks about saints rising from their graves and appearing to people in the holy city. What does this mean? It sounds like dead people are walking around is that what it means? If it means that then I'm really confused cuz this sounds weird. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Posted July 8, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 115 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 8,281 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/03/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/30/1955 Share Posted July 8, 2006 That is indeed exactly what it means, and this event is even recorded in the Talmud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark777 Posted July 8, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 416 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 12 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/16/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted July 8, 2006 Leonard, Could you direct me to that passage in the Talmud? Maybe an online link? Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Posted July 8, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 115 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 8,281 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/03/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/30/1955 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Leonard, Could you direct me to that passage in the Talmud? Maybe an online link? Mark The the commentary by Edersheim in THE LIFE AND TIMES OF JESUS THE MESSIAH. I don't recall the tractate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LivingWater Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 I don't know what the Talmud is. Tell me, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Posted July 11, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 115 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 8,281 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/03/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/30/1955 Share Posted July 11, 2006 The Talmud is basically very old Jewish Biblical commentary. Though lots of subjects not specifically addressed in the Scriptures are discussed as well. Some of the commentary predates Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RND Posted July 11, 2006 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 122 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/23/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/08/1962 Share Posted July 11, 2006 I believe in JESUS! Yes, I do believe that he died and rose again but I just found this scripture in Matthew, I think it's in Chapter 25 or 27 or something like that. It talks about saints rising from their graves and appearing to people in the holy city. What does this mean? It sounds like dead people are walking around is that what it means? If it means that then I'm really confused cuz this sounds weird. Thanks. Matthew 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many Wow, this puts a huge hole in the "immortal soul" non-sense that is prevalent in today's modern church, drunk with the wine of the fornication of the harlot! It also begs the question, how come Jesus didn't say to Lazarus, "Come down!" (from Heaven) as opposed to what he actually said, "Come forth?" And what gives with Martha and what she said: John 11:23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. 24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. 25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: You mean Martha didn't believe in "absent from the body...." Maybe that's because she knew the soul wasn't "immortal." "Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen." 1 Timothy 1:17 "To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:" Romans 2:7 "For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality." 1 Corinthians 15:53 "So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory." 1 Corinthians 15:54 "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen." 1 Timothy 6:16 "But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:" 2 Timothy 1:10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LivingWater Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 RND, what are you saying? That people don't have a soul? That there's no afterlife, at least until Jesus comes back? I still think this scripture is strange, it sounds like they thought Jesus was setting up his kingdom right then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prcfighter Posted July 13, 2006 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 52 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/08/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/07/1989 Share Posted July 13, 2006 There are several vesres that imply that when you die you are asleep, unconcious. I dont remember them all but one of them is matt 22:29-32. It say "You are in error because you do not now the Scriptures or the power of God. at the ressurection people will neither marry nor be give in marriage, they will be like the angels in heaven. But about the ressuerction of the dead-have you not read what God said to you. I am the God of Abraham teh God of Isaac and teh God of Jocab? He is not the God of teh dead but of the living. This is answering a question put to Jesus if in heaven you are married. But it says you will not be married when you are ressurected, not when you die. So therefor you go to heaven when you are resurected. When are you resurrected you ask? you are ressurected at two times! The first has already taken place and was when Jesus was ressurected. The souls of those dead came alive and asided into Heaven when Jesus did. So their were not dead people walking around but people who were dead. the second ressurection happens when Jesus returns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierra21 Posted July 13, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 160 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,000 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/07/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/30/1983 Share Posted July 13, 2006 I just wanted to point out the fact that yes, in the Bible there is a lot of reference to people not going to Heaven until after the ressurection...but people, if we are "unconcious or asleep" until then it won't matter....because time doesn't exist when you're asleep! We don't need to worry, because God knows what he's doing...and he will look after us, and it will be amazing. Better than anything we've ever experienced here on earth. Also, I read this same verse in mathew not too long ago and it weirded me out too! Craziness when all the dead people are up and walking around! Can you imagine how insane that must have been??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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