Old Timer Posted October 8, 2006 Group: Soapbox - Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 68 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 962 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 52 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/18/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/11/1932 Share Posted October 8, 2006 Kenod, you may be correct. As I said in a previous post we will know for sure when the Lord returns and explains all things. If we are, indeed, in the Laodicean stage then it would be wise if we took the warnings very seriously. Not only for ourselves but for the general "congregation" that we see around us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nanasimmons Posted October 8, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 335 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/05/1967 Share Posted October 8, 2006 Another good ref. book on this subject is "Revelation/s Unveiled" by Tim LaHaye.One of my favorites . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christ's Free Servant Posted October 8, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 197 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,461 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/18/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/31/1949 Share Posted October 8, 2006 I believe they were 7 literal churches, but I believe they also represent various churches of today, as well. The fact that they are in Revelation, which is a book of prophecy about End Times, leads me to believe that these seven churches represent 7 types of church in the last days, as well. I believe there is a Biblical principle here of examining our churches and our own hearts to see where we fit - which one is most like us/our church? I believe this type of examination is necessary in preparing our hearts and in preparing the church for Christ's return. Jesus is calling these churches to this type of self-examination and is calling them to repentance. I believe the Lord is calling the Church to repentance now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric Posted October 8, 2006 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 2 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,073 Content Per Day: 0.51 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/02/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/10/1923 Share Posted October 8, 2006 Well a lot of thoughts here and I agree with some of them that it was a message to all the local churches of that day, a wake up call if you like. I believe that only mentioning seven churches, which were probably the biggest gatherings at that time, the message would filter through to the smaller ones by word of mouth. I think, personally, it was a message warning all the saints to let them know what they should be doing if they want be overcomers to receive the various rewards mentioned at the end of all the letters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted October 9, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.20 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted October 9, 2006 Honestly, considering Revelation was most likely written in Hebrew and is most certainly under a Hebrew mindset...I don't see a problem with the churches being literal churches, and symbolic of types of churches. I wouldn't, however, use it as time periods simply because if the world continues on for another 500 years it becomes hard to justify that. Likewise, the period of "Philadelphia" isn't exactly the best time for the Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyRaven Posted October 9, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,981 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/22/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/20/1964 Share Posted October 9, 2006 Honestly, considering Revelation was most likely written in Hebrew and is most certainly under a Hebrew mindset...I don't see a problem with the churches being literal churches, and symbolic of types of churches. I wouldn't, however, use it as time periods simply because if the world continues on for another 500 years it becomes hard to justify that. Likewise, the period of "Philadelphia" isn't exactly the best time for the Church. However, some people believe the end is like next week or something, so they wouldn't have a problem with your problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric Posted October 9, 2006 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 2 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,073 Content Per Day: 0.51 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/02/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/10/1923 Share Posted October 9, 2006 AK, why would John write his gospel in greek and revelation in hebrew, since there is only a few years between each book, especially when the bible says all scripture is God breathed or inspired by God, depending on the version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted October 9, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.20 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted October 9, 2006 AK, why would John write his gospel in greek and revelation in hebrew, since there is only a few years between each book, especially when the bible says all scripture is God breathed or inspired by God, depending on the version? Because he probably didn't write the Gospel of John in Greek There were only a few books, most of them Paul's epistles (along with Luke's Gospel and Acts), that were actually written in Greek. Of course, this is only theorized because of the audience it was written to (I mean, it is hard to say that Hebrews, written to Hebrews, was originally in Greek) and how the structure of it is, that we can tell in some (Revelation being the most prevelant) that the original composition was most likely Hebrew. The thing is, this really doesn't take away from the Bible being inspired or God breathed. The reason being is that if one were to translate from Greek to Hebrew you would not lose much in translation, especially on vital facts. This is why the Septuagint (OT in Greek) is often used in translations, simply because it is not really a "lesser" translation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christ's Free Servant Posted October 9, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 197 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,461 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/18/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/31/1949 Share Posted October 9, 2006 Well a lot of thoughts here and I agree with some of them that it was a message to all the local churches of that day, a wake up call if you like. I believe that only mentioning seven churches, which were probably the biggest gatherings at that time, the message would filter through to the smaller ones by word of mouth. I think, personally, it was a message warning all the saints to let them know what they should be doing if they want be overcomers to receive the various rewards mentioned at the end of all the letters. Sounds good to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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