Man Corrupt

[DInsights]

Quick clarification here. Man is not inherently evil in the sense that they were created that way by God. God created them good. People became sinful as a result of some bad decisions by our first parents. When humans made these initial bad decisions, their natures were changed. They died spiritually (they were separated fom God). This spiritual death is now handed down parent to child. So humanity is tarnished, but this was not inherent. It was brought on by decsions and actions they themselves took

Is it a myth or scripture based truth that a sinner is spiritually dead and separated from God? If the later, any scripture to support?

Grace from God and peace from our Lord Jesus Christ to all!

[Kabowd]

Quick clarification here. Man is not inherently evil in the sense that they were created that way by God. God created them good. People became sinful as a result of some bad decisions by our first parents. When humans made these initial bad decisions, their natures were changed. They died spiritually (they were separated fom God). This spiritual death is now handed down parent to child. So humanity is tarnished, but this was not inherent. It was brought on by decsions and actions they themselves took

Is it a myth or scripture based truth that a sinner is spiritually dead and separated from God? If the later, any scripture to support?

Grace from God and peace from our Lord Jesus Christ to all!

If sin hadn't separated us from God, then there would've been no need for Christ. So yeah, if you want scriptural support, how about the entire book?

As EricH stated, man was initially created good and perfect, but after The Fall...sin entered, man (and all of creation) suffered the consequences like a ripple effect. The entire purpose of redemption was for Christ to restore us back to fellowship with God. That was the whole point. But if you're looking for some isolated verses that might give you some confirmation, here's a few that state what our condition is prior to salvation:

* We do not seek God (Romans 3:11)

* We have a mind that is hostile towards God (Romans 8:7)

* We cannot submit to God (Romans 8:7)

* We are dead in sin (Ephesians 2:1)

* We have a heart of stone towards God (Ezekiel 36:26)

* We love darkness, we hate the light (John 3:10)

* We desire to do the will of satan (John 8:44)

* We follow satan (Ephesians 2:2)

* We are enslaved by sin (John 8:34)

* We are unable to please God (Romans 8:8)

* We don't understand spiritual things (1 Corinthians 2:14)

All of these verses above give us examples of what sin does to us and how it affects our relationship with God.

[Guest christiansloveisrael]

I have a quick question. Can some of you provide scriptural support to show that man is inherently corrupt?

Thanks,

Tim.

You don't need the Bible to prove that man is inherently corrupt...just look out the window or read the newpaper.

The Bible is stating the obvious here.

[DInsights]

Is it a myth or scripture based truth that a sinner is spiritually dead and separated from God? If the later, any scripture to support?

Grace from God and peace from our Lord Jesus Christ to all!

If sin hadn't separated us from God, then there would've been no need for Christ. So yeah, if you want scriptural support, how about the entire book?

As EricH stated, man was initially created good and perfect, but after The Fall...sin entered, man (and all of creation) suffered the consequences like a ripple effect. The entire purpose of redemption was for Christ to restore us back to fellowship with God. That was the whole point. But if you're looking for some isolated verses that might give you some confirmation, here's a few that state what our condition is prior to salvation:

* We do not seek God (Romans 3:11)

* We have a mind that is hostile towards God (Romans 8:7)

* We cannot submit to God (Romans 8:7)

* We are dead in sin (Ephesians 2:1)

* We have a heart of stone towards God (Ezekiel 36:26)

* We love darkness, we hate the light (John 3:10)

* We desire to do the will of satan (John 8:44)

* We follow satan (Ephesians 2:2)

* We are enslaved by sin (John 8:34)

* We are unable to please God (Romans 8:8)

* We don't understand spiritual things (1 Corinthians 2:14)

All of these verses above give us examples of what sin does to us and how it affects our relationship with God.

I'm afraid my question is yet answered. Nevertheless, iniquities can separate between us and God and sins can make Him hide His face from us (Isa 59:2). But to equate separation with being "spiritually dead", unless figurative, is what I need an explanation of.

Let us also be mindful that iniquities separating between a man and God does not mean or suggest such a man may have been forsaken by God. God is not a God of the dead (even a dead spirit) (Mat 22:32), but of the living. Nevertheless, Jesus Christ is Lord over both the dead and living (Rom 14:9).

I know spirits of sinners whose names are not in the Book of Life at the end will be destroyed, together with death, in the Lake of fire. Until then, I believe all are living spirits even when out the body or even while in Hell.

Grace and peace from God and from the Lord to all!

[Kabowd]

Is it a myth or scripture based truth that a sinner is spiritually dead and separated from God? If the later, any scripture to support?

Grace from God and peace from our Lord Jesus Christ to all!

If sin hadn't separated us from God, then there would've been no need for Christ. So yeah, if you want scriptural support, how about the entire book?

As EricH stated, man was initially created good and perfect, but after The Fall...sin entered, man (and all of creation) suffered the consequences like a ripple effect. The entire purpose of redemption was for Christ to restore us back to fellowship with God. That was the whole point. But if you're looking for some isolated verses that might give you some confirmation, here's a few that state what our condition is prior to salvation:

* We do not seek God (Romans 3:11)

* We have a mind that is hostile towards God (Romans 8:7)

* We cannot submit to God (Romans 8:7)

* We are dead in sin (Ephesians 2:1)

* We have a heart of stone towards God (Ezekiel 36:26)

* We love darkness, we hate the light (John 3:10)

* We desire to do the will of satan (John 8:44)

* We follow satan (Ephesians 2:2)

* We are enslaved by sin (John 8:34)

* We are unable to please God (Romans 8:8)

* We don't understand spiritual things (1 Corinthians 2:14)

All of these verses above give us examples of what sin does to us and how it affects our relationship with God.

I'm afraid my question is yet answered. Nevertheless, iniquities can separate between us and God and sins can make Him hide His face from us (Isa 59:2). But to equate separation with being "spiritually dead", unless figurative, is what I need an explanation of.

Let us also be mindful that iniquities separating between a man and God does not mean or suggest such a man may have been forsaken by God. God is not a God of the dead (even a dead spirit) (Mat 22:32), but of the living. Nevertheless, Jesus Christ is Lord over both the dead and living (Rom 14:9).

I know spirits of sinners whose names are not in the Book of Life at the end will be destroyed, together with death, in the Lake of fire. Until then, I believe all are living spirits even when out the body or even while in Hell.

Grace and peace from God and from the Lord to all!

I'm not understanding where you need clarification. What parts of being "dead in our trespasses" from Ephesians 2 are you in conflict with? Are you asserting that this is not true, that we are really "alive" to God prior to salvation? If so, please show us scriptural support for your assertions. Scripture teaches that those who are not saved, as I showed above, have hearts of stone towards God, are hostile towards God, are dead in sin, cannot obey God, etc. It further teaches that the Holy Spirit opens hearts (Acts 16:14), changes hearts (Ez. 35:26), makes those who were dead alive (Eph. 2:5), and reconciles us to God (Rom. 5:10). I've given multiple verses as examples to show what Scripture teaches. If you believe something else, what are you basing this belief on?

[Guest christiansloveisrael]

Humans are made in the "image of God" and, thus, our souls cannot cease to EXIST. All created souls will always exist. They shall eternally exist as either 1) alive (with God) or 2) dead (separated from God).

[DInsights]

Humans are made in the "image of God" and, thus, our souls cannot cease to EXIST. All created souls will always exist. They shall eternally exist as either 1) alive (with God) or 2) dead (separated from God).

Excellently put and I humbly submit as follows, if you don't mind my using your base statement: "Humans are made in the "image of God" and, thus, our souls cannot cease to EXIST. All created souls will always exist. They shall eternally exist as either 1) alive (with the knowledge of God and Christ; Jhn 17:2-3) or 2) dead (without the knowledge of God and Christ)."

That is the kind of "death" Adam was subjected to and same kind of "quickening or life" and "death" that Paul mentions in Ephesians 2:1.

Iniquities may separate between a man and God (Isa. 59:2), but not all sins are unto death (1Jo 5:16), that is, (being without the knowledge of God).

Therefore, iniquities separating (standing between) man and God does not necessarily equate a sinner's "spiritual death" that figuratively explains his living spirit being without the knowledge of God.

Grace and peace to all!

[Naziyr]

In alot of ways, these posts are true, but there needs to be said something that often goes unsaid. Man apart from G-d, is capable of doing good.

We were created in the image of the Father, in which we inherited certain traits of His, such as the seed of good which exists in all things that mirror the image of G-d.

But also while we are able to perform acts of good and kindness, we also are able of performing great deeds and acts of evil.

But that's human nature.

Shalom