John R Nolan Posted November 9, 2006 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 99 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/05/1947 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Having observed the responses to a question regarding use of the "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" in Christian ordinances and prayer we need establish the differences betwixt a NAME and TITLE Father is a title, it is NOT a name Son is a title, it is NOT a name Holy Spirit is a title, not a name What Scripture instructs us to do is use the NAME of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as Paul states, "and what ever you do in word or deed , DO ALL in the name of the Lord Jesus.."Col.3:17 One suggests this ALL includes water baptism, marriage, burial, prayer, casting out of demons, etc., and there is no historical record of anything but the NAME of the Lord Jesus Christ being used in the Christian church before 325 a.d. NAME: "word by which individual person, animal, place, thing is spoken of or to; TITLE:"Personal appelation, heriditary or not, denoting or implying office or nobility" As there is only ONE GOD, we need know HIS NAME The Lord Jesus was the "express image" of GOD, Heb.1:3; and He came in His Father's NAME, Jn.5:43; therefore we can deduce that the NAME, Lord Jesus Christ, is the one we are required to use in all things to do with GOD, can't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Having observed the responses to a question regarding use of the "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" in Christian ordinances and prayer we need establish the differences betwixt a NAME and TITLE Father is a title, it is NOT a name Son is a title, it is NOT a name Holy Spirit is a title, not a name What Scripture instructs us to do is use the NAME of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as Paul states, "and what ever you do in word or deed , DO ALL in the name of the Lord Jesus.."Col.3:17 One suggests this ALL includes water baptism, marriage, burial, prayer, casting out of demons, etc., and there is no historical record of anything but the NAME of the Lord Jesus Christ being used in the Christian church before 325 a.d. NAME: "word by which individual person, animal, place, thing is spoken of or to; TITLE:"Personal appelation, heriditary or not, denoting or implying office or nobility" As there is only ONE GOD, we need know HIS NAME The Lord Jesus was the "express image" of GOD, Heb.1:3; and He came in His Father's NAME, Jn.5:43; therefore we can deduce that the NAME, Lord Jesus Christ, is the one we are required to use in all things to do with GOD, can't we? I think it likely, that you miss the concept of name altogether. STOP! IN THE NAME OF THE LAW! Is that talking about a personal name? Or is that about authority? Or, is it perhaps on the person's behalf. If you do something in my name, it implies a sort of power of attorney. The Greek for name in that verse is "onoma". NT:3686 onoma (on'-om-ah); from a presumed derivative of the base of NT:1097 (compare NT:3685); a "name" (literally or figuratively) [authority, character]: (New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjrose Posted November 9, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,580 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/16/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/13/1960 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Having observed the responses to a question regarding use of the "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" in Christian ordinances and prayer we need establish the differences betwixt a NAME and TITLE Father is a title, it is NOT a name Son is a title, it is NOT a name Holy Spirit is a title, not a name What Scripture instructs us to do is use the NAME of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as Paul states, "and what ever you do in word or deed , DO ALL in the name of the Lord Jesus.."Col.3:17 One suggests this ALL includes water baptism, marriage, burial, prayer, casting out of demons, etc., and there is no historical record of anything but the NAME of the Lord Jesus Christ being used in the Christian church before 325 a.d. NAME: "word by which individual person, animal, place, thing is spoken of or to; TITLE:"Personal appelation, heriditary or not, denoting or implying office or nobility" As there is only ONE GOD, we need know HIS NAME The Lord Jesus was the "express image" of GOD, Heb.1:3; and He came in His Father's NAME, Jn.5:43; therefore we can deduce that the NAME, Lord Jesus Christ, is the one we are required to use in all things to do with GOD, can't we? I don't get why people get so hung up on words. God is a name and a title, Jesus is a name and a title, the Holy Spirit is a name and a title. God does not say Hallowed be Your "title".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted November 9, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted November 9, 2006 No, we cannot change the name down to just the Lord Jesus Christ... you are then ignoring the Father and the Holy Spirit ... the rest of God himself. You are narrowing him. You are changing the authority. Satan will recognize it. It is the Lord Jesus Christ who has all authority. When we see Him, we see the Father, and we have the Holy Spirit. Satan abides by that authority...make no mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candi770 Posted November 9, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 119 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,316 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/01/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/01/1970 Share Posted November 9, 2006 This sounds like a pentecostal oneness argument again. It is incorrect to believe that people only did things in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus himself said to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, ... not singluar, plural... all three titles, if you want to call them that, are in the one name. The second name is the Lord Jesus Christ... it is not the same. Two different names and they hold different authority. Yet there is but one God. Thank you!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kansasdad Posted November 9, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,227 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/10/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/19/1964 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Having observed the responses to a question regarding use of the "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" in Christian ordinances and prayer we need establish the differences betwixt a NAME and TITLE Father is a title, it is NOT a name Son is a title, it is NOT a name Holy Spirit is a title, not a name What Scripture instructs us to do is use the NAME of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as Paul states, "and what ever you do in word or deed , DO ALL in the name of the Lord Jesus.."Col.3:17 One suggests this ALL includes water baptism, marriage, burial, prayer, casting out of demons, etc., and there is no historical record of anything but the NAME of the Lord Jesus Christ being used in the Christian church before 325 a.d. NAME: "word by which individual person, animal, place, thing is spoken of or to; TITLE:"Personal appelation, heriditary or not, denoting or implying office or nobility" As there is only ONE GOD, we need know HIS NAME The Lord Jesus was the "express image" of GOD, Heb.1:3; and He came in His Father's NAME, Jn.5:43; therefore we can deduce that the NAME, Lord Jesus Christ, is the one we are required to use in all things to do with GOD, can't we? I think it likely, that you miss the concept of name altogether. STOP! IN THE NAME OF THE LAW! Is that talking about a personal name? Or is that about authority? Or, is it perhaps on the person's behalf. If you do something in my name, it implies a sort of power of attorney. The Greek for name in that verse is "onoma". NT:3686 onoma (on'-om-ah); from a presumed derivative of the base of NT:1097 (compare NT:3685); a "name" (literally or figuratively) [authority, character]: (New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Biblicist Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Kansasdad I heartily agree, Omegaman wonderful post. That is, I believe, what is considered Hermeneutics? Mr. Jacobson, what do you mean by a "pentacostal oneness argument"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyRaven Posted November 9, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,981 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/22/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/20/1964 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Kansasdad I heartily agree, Omegaman wonderful post. That is, I believe, what is considered Hermeneutics? Mr. Jacobson, what do you mean by a "pentacostal oneness argument"? Pentecostal Oneness is a heretical offshoot of the Pentecostal Church. One of it's main points it uses to shake non heretical believers and thus get them to listen to their arguements is the "Jesus Name Only" arguement because it sounds good and most believers can't place exactly WHY its troubling them, so they will go along with it and this gives the oneness heretic a toehold to tear apart a person's theology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyRaven Posted November 9, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,981 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/22/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/20/1964 Share Posted November 9, 2006 19"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit Ergo, we do it in the name of all the trinity, not just one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted November 9, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted November 9, 2006 What is being proposed here is a form of an age old heresy called modalism. It denies the concept of the Trinity and holds that the Father, Som, and Holy Spirit are just titles for God and reflective of How God acts at different times. It is not scriptural Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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