ted Posted November 29, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 276 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 7,474 Content Per Day: 0.96 Reputation: 51 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/31/1966 Share Posted November 29, 2006 From Ted's post, Do a quick search on NAMBLA and read between the lines. What society is considering acceptable these days is certainly interesting, and indeed, fearful. Thanks for that, Ted. I don't know whether or not atheists would find anything unusaul about the activities of nambla, but I just checked it out and brother,....... and to think the ACLU not only condones the evil practice, it supports it.............. I feel sick. Yup, it's pretty nasty. I just wanted to make a point about something so nothing is read into what I was saying: In no way, shape, or form am I implying that NAMBLA is made up of atheists or that there is any connection to atheism and NAMBLA. I just used them as an example to show how far society has fallen and how we can begin to think that if a group like this can be considered normal or somehow protected, then I have reason to justify my fear that I could be somehow held liable in court for trying to protect my son from people like that. Again, in no way was I saying that NAMBLA has any connection whatsoever to atheism or vice-versa. Just wanted to clear that up for everyone. t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric Posted November 29, 2006 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 2 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,073 Content Per Day: 0.51 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/02/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/10/1923 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Message read and understood, Ted. No implication taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted Posted November 29, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 276 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 7,474 Content Per Day: 0.96 Reputation: 51 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/31/1966 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Message read and understood, Ted. No implication taken. I wasn't meaning you, specifically, but in general terms. t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ethical.atheist Posted November 30, 2006 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 1 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 167 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/20/2006 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 30, 2006 What is it about atheism or the atheist that you find frightening or damaging to society? I don't know...ask the Jews of the holocaust. Hitler was catholic and even though his religious background was questionable, he ruled with religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billie Posted November 30, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,849 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/17/1979 Share Posted November 30, 2006 Hitler was catholic and even though his religious background was questionable, he ruled with religion. He was a nominal Catholic only. He was an occultist, and so was Himmler. He had the Christians who spoke out against what he was doing killed. He tried to rewrite the Bible to remove any positive references to the Jews. He's quoted as saying he wished Germany had the history of the Muslim religion, with it's rule-by-force ideology, rather then Christianity, with its weak ideas of humility and meekness. I see you haven't done much research in this area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ethical.atheist Posted November 30, 2006 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 1 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 167 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/20/2006 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 30, 2006 The idea that this group, and others like it, gaining legitimacy in America is unsettling, to say the least. With legal legitimacy comes legal protection. With legal protection come the right for them to molest your child. It's not a stretch by any means to be wary of things like that, and it's not paranoia. Oh wow... I was confused for a little bit. OK... so here is the deal with NAMBLA. They have a right to organize and discuss their ideas. OK... There is nothing wrong with this. They have a right to lobby. There is no reason they shouldn't be able to try to alter the law if they feel that is necessary. Again, this is a basic right. If they feel that the law is unfair/unjust, they have the right to try to change it. As soon as enough of the majority of lawmakers agree to amend the constitution (or the judges agree to reinterpret it). They can legally engage in sexual relations with minors. This is not very likely. If the majority of American's decided that statutory rape was OK ...and it was decided that the constitution did does not prohibit this, it could be legalized just like anything else. Would you have a right to protect your child? YES! Of course! You are responsible for your child before the age of 18 and have the right to make decisions for him/her. After 18, the decisions aren't up to you anymore and I'd imagine NAMBLA wouldn't be too terribly interested anyway. By the way... what does this have to do with Atheism? I forgot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ethical.atheist Posted November 30, 2006 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 1 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 167 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/20/2006 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 30, 2006 (edited) I see you haven't done much research in this area. ...well... what you said does not contradict what I said. But whatever. So I guess Hitler had A LOT to do with religion. So why are we blaming the holocaust on atheism again? However, in contrast to other Nazi leaders, Hitler did not adhere to esoteric ideas, occultism, or neo-paganism, and ridiculed such beliefs in his book Mein Kampf. Rather, Hitler advocated a "Positive Christianity", a belief system purged from what he objected to in traditional Christianity, and reinvented Jesus as a fighter against the Jews. Sounds like a terrifying theist to me who used religion for the most despicable things. Edited November 30, 2006 by ethical.atheist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undone Posted November 30, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 45 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 819 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted November 30, 2006 I see you haven't done much research in this area. ...well... what you said does not contradict what I said. But whatever. So I guess Hitler had A LOT to do with religion. So why are we blaming the holocaust on atheism again? However, in contrast to other Nazi leaders, Hitler did not adhere to esoteric ideas, occultism, or neo-paganism, and ridiculed such beliefs in his book Mein Kampf. Rather, Hitler advocated a "Positive Christianity", a belief system purged from what he objected to in traditional Christianity, and reinvented Jesus as a fighter against the Jews. Sounds like a terrifying theist to me who used religion for the most despicable things. Hitler used religion solely for political gain (kind of like Saddam Hussein). I posted some google group links a few weeks ago that revealed this and his atheist-adherent beliefs. I could dig them up again if you like. Note that google-groups are not a Christian friendly bunch - at least from what I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ethical.atheist Posted November 30, 2006 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 1 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 167 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/20/2006 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 30, 2006 Hitler used religion solely for political gain (kind of like Saddam Hussein). I posted some google group links a few weeks ago that revealed this and his atheist-adherent beliefs. I could dig them up again if you like. Note that google-groups are not a Christian friendly bunch - at least from what I've seen. I have found no evidence that Hitler was an atheist. He even went to great efforts to stomp out atheism. "For their interests [the Church's] cannot fail to coincide with ours [the National Socialists] alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight against a Bolshevist culture, against atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for a consciousness of a community in our national life". There does seem to be plenty of evidence that his flavor of religion didn't conform very well to any major sect of Christianity. He talked about God all of the time though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneV Posted November 30, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 36 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 720 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/23/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/20/1947 Share Posted November 30, 2006 You use the Bible, "God's word", as evidence of the truth of God. And you use God's word as evidence of the truth of the Bible. In case your are a visual learner, like I am, I drew a picture for you: http://aycu40.webshots.com/image/4639/2004...92648041_rs.jpg According to you, God exists because God says he does. What's scary is that you see nothing circular about this. If truth cannot be known, why are you talking to us? A map charts a landscape. The map is not the landscape, but it can give you a good idea about it. Our minds are just maps. Our thoughts and senses cannot show us reality itself, but they can chart it. I am talking to you because maps have varying degrees of inaccuracy. Even though you and I do not and cannot know reality, we can have better or worse ideas about it. I think the Christian worldview is a particularly flawed map of reality. Gee thanks!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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