ayin jade Posted December 24, 2006 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.87 Content Count: 43,800 Content Per Day: 6.17 Reputation: 11,247 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted December 24, 2006 You havent shown that. You have only postulated it. Then you qualified your statements. But still havent demonstrated that there is less conflict. It isn't really Apoptosis's job to educate you in world history. I suggest you do your own research and try to dig up something to refute Apoptosis. I understand that this is a difficult suggestion, but when we are discussing something as broad as the history of the world, it is really the only feasible way to continue. Lol, just look at the news. There is fighting on every continent except antarctica. Wars, civil war, clashes between citizens of countries. Violence abounds. Ap made a comment but then failed to back up his assertion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apoptosis Posted December 24, 2006 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 48 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/17/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted December 24, 2006 (edited) Uh, no, I did back it up, you just fail to study world history. These places are at war since the beginning of time, so they were at some form of war for some reason before and after enlightenment. The point was, because we are now enlightened, the enlightened countries are now at peace such as the countries in europe. For example, countr A, B, C, and D were always at some form of war since beginning of recorded history. However, because of rationality and enlightenment, country A, and C stopped fighting for example, colonial wars and became peaceful. But while B and D is still at war for various religious, nationalistic, or ethnic reasons. However, dispite the fact B and D is still at war, this still means there is an overall decrease in warfare and bloodshed in history. You view the world to have more conflicts because 1: You did not pay attention to world history in other places and you assumed these other places were peaceful before you heard from them. 2: You are now bombarded with news about world conflicts through the media, and you believe these conflicts and war never occur before now. Just because you can be easily informed with modern media doesn't mean these war did not occur much earlier on. Ease of access to information doesn't mean the body of information grew, it just means more ease of access. Edited December 24, 2006 by Apoptosis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted Posted December 25, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 276 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 7,474 Content Per Day: 0.96 Reputation: 51 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/31/1966 Share Posted December 25, 2006 Merry Christmas! t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted December 26, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.20 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted December 26, 2006 The point was, because we are now enlightened, the enlightened countries are now at peace such as the countries in europe. The enlightenment period in Europe saw multiple wars on the continent. The most famous ones occurred with Napoleon, World War I, and World War II. Likewise, when Russia and China came into enlightenment they adopted Communism and subsequently have killed hundreds of millions of people in the last 70 years. Yay for atheism! These nations killed more in 70 years than corrupt Christianity did from 1000 - 1700. That is just impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ethical.atheist Posted December 28, 2006 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 1 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 167 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/20/2006 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 28, 2006 The enlightenment period in Europe saw multiple wars on the continent. The most famous ones occurred with Napoleon, World War I, and World War II. Likewise, when Russia and China came into enlightenment they adopted Communism and subsequently have killed hundreds of millions of people in the last 70 years. Yay for atheism! These nations killed more in 70 years than corrupt Christianity did from 1000 - 1700. That is just impressive.I just want to make sure I understand... Are you making the claim atheism is the cause of the increase in deaths you also claim to have occured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted Posted December 28, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 276 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 7,474 Content Per Day: 0.96 Reputation: 51 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/31/1966 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Doesn't sound like it to me. It sounds more like he was addressing Apop's point concerning "enlightenment" and the supposed decrease in was once a nation, or area, is enlightened. He offered the point about atheism as a counter to charges against religious-based warring countries, showing that wars carry on regardless of "enlightenment". Sound about right? t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted January 24, 2007 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 11 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/06/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted January 24, 2007 atheists are scary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artsylady Posted January 24, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 171 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,813 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 150 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted January 24, 2007 I wouldn't use the word scary myself, but I do find that when athiests want changes like getting prayer taken out of school and the like, then life just gets scarier. Look around you - read the newspapers, check out the statistics - drug abuse, suicide, murder, child abuse, prostitution, drug addiction, alcoholism, serial killings, rape, depression, teen pregnancy etc. are all on the rise. We aren't a nation blessed by God because we wanted Him out because of people like athiests. Now, if Christians are dealing with drug abuse, suicide, murder, child abuse, prostitution, drug addiction, alcoholism, serial killings, rape, depression, teen pregnancy etc. in a positive way and seeing good results, as well as dealing with hunger, education, medical needs etc in poor countries, why do you athiests find we Christians so scary? Even if God wasn't even real, the good that Christianity far outweighs the bad - even in the eyes of the athiest who can be honest with himself or herself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artsylady Posted January 24, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 171 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,813 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 150 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted January 24, 2007 I wouldn't use the word scary myself, but I do find that when athiests want changes like getting prayer taken out of school and the like, then life just gets scarier. Look around you - read the newspapers, check out the statistics - drug abuse, suicide, murder, child abuse, prostitution, drug addiction, alcoholism, serial killings, rape, depression, teen pregnancy etc. are all on the rise. We aren't a nation blessed by God because we wanted Him out because of people like athiests. Now, if Christians are dealing with drug abuse, suicide, murder, child abuse, prostitution, drug addiction, alcoholism, serial killings, rape, depression, teen pregnancy etc. in a positive way and seeing good results and people are making life changing decisions and finding happiness as well as the Chrisitans who are dealing with hunger, education, medical needs etc in poor countries, why do you athiests find we Christians so scary? Even if God wasn't even real, the good that Christianity far outweighs the bad - even in the eyes of the athiest who can be honest with himself or herself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billie Posted January 24, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,849 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/17/1979 Share Posted January 24, 2007 Key word being "honest". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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