georgesbluegirl Posted February 16, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 30 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,234 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/17/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/10/1987 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Well, it probably just means more women would go to get abortions out of state, if they could afford it. If they can't afford to go anywhere else, they're stuck in-state and potentially blacklisted for life. Great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LadyC Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 i'd still like to know how anyone comes to the conclusion that anyone would be "blacklisted". that is beyond far fetched. it's plain ludicrous. but yet it seems that a couple of folks here keep insisting on using that term and the scarlet letter term. use an argument that makes sense, for crying out loud! i would support this kind of legislation, if it were to come up in my state. however, i'm well aware that it will likely never pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgesbluegirl Posted February 16, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 30 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,234 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/17/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/10/1987 Share Posted February 16, 2007 "Blacklisted" is probably the wrong term, you're right - although the possibility of one occurring isn't incredibly far fetched. The concern for me is that women will bear the brunt of this legislation and, as usual, few men will have to deal with it. To force men to be involved in any death certificate process would be expensive and impractical, and in many cases probably wouldn't work. There is also the MAJOR issue that in the United States, abortion is not a crime (see earlier distinction made between SIN and CRIME). This would be punishing women for taking a legal action, one that is extremely private to begin with, by putting their names into the public record. I also think that when it comes down to it, you could challenge this in courts at the federal level and it would be repealed in a second. Bottom line is this is not the way to go about affecting change - by targeting the people having abortions. How about just trying to fix the problems that lead people to abortions? This law would just make it worse for women of low socioeconomic standing who couldn't afford to get an abortion out of state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Hamburgers! Posted February 16, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,144 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 163 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/02/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1985 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Yup yup yup, the best way to deal with abortion is to deal with the source of the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emily~Anne Posted February 16, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 146 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,308 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/11/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted February 16, 2007 If these death certificates can prevent just one abortion, then I feel it is fully worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest revelations14 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Yes you do mourn for a miscarried child, when I had my miscarriage I had to go on anti-depressants, so speaking as a mother who has experienced the loss I believe it is the same. Until your child can fend for himself and make his own way in the world he is completely dependent on you for his food, shelter, clothing, and everything necessary for human survival. He is just as dependent on you for life outside of the womb as he was in. The only difference is the manner in which those needs are provided. To claim that a child is "potentially" human before birth is the most insensitive and humanistic thing I have heard you say. It is hard to believe that a person of your intelligence can be so gullible as to believe this cock-eyed liberal drivel. Do you believe that a miscarriage at say 10 weeks is the same thing as losing a child? I know you werent asking me but YES, it's the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Hamburgers! Posted February 16, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,144 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 163 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/02/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1985 Share Posted February 16, 2007 If these death certificates can prevent just one abortion, then I feel it is fully worth it. The problem is it would be a violation of thousands of women's rights to privacy. It would be a sacrifice of our freedoms in exchange for a little bit of security, and not that much security to be fair. At what point do we draw the line? I'm all for avoiding abortions, but there has to be a better way than this bill is proposing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forrestkc Posted February 16, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 114 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,015 Content Per Day: 0.59 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/15/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted February 16, 2007 First off, Death Certificates would not have a name for the embryo of fetus on them. They would simply have the woman's name and create a public record for anyone to see that she had an abortion. It would not be a record of the reason for the abortion, just simply a public record stating the woman had an abortion. Now mind you, there are already private records of this procedure being taken and added to the women who have an abortion's medical record. Therefore, the whole point of this proposal is to publicly brand women who have an abortion for any reason. So, if you guys are for that, then I say we should certainly not stop at creating death certificates for abortions. We should also require a death certificate for any miscarriage. In fact, even if a miscarriage occurs at only a few weeks after conception, the woman should be required to contact the police, the coroner should come out, investigate the death, and just like when someone dies in the home, the state should require that an autopsy be performed to determine cause of death and to rule out foul play as a cause of death. Most miscarriages result from natural causes, but everyone of them should be extensively investigated to make sure that their was nothing even remotely the mother could have done to prevent it from happening, and if there was, she should be held criminally responsible. For example, if the mother is found to have not been following the dietary and lifestyle recommendations of her physician, then the District Attorney should look at possibly filling manslaughter or negligent homicide charges. Either way though, there should be a permanent public record created about the incident. The whole world should have the opportunity to know about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyAngeL Posted February 16, 2007 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 155 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,464 Content Per Day: 1.01 Reputation: 8,810 Days Won: 57 Joined: 03/30/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/12/1952 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Sounds good to me. Sounds good to me too. And the cause of death will be listed as what??? Murder I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emily~Anne Posted February 16, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 146 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,308 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/11/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted February 16, 2007 Forrest and Hamburgers, the UNBORN BABY IS THE ULTIMATE VICTIM! More so than the mothers! Such a blatant disregard for human life! Sheesh! Lets see, human life vs. a person's tainted record, what is more important? Good grief! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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