Does God love Homosexuals Too?

[BethanyLove]

Does God love Homosexuals too? I don't know. I believe He should. You can't control who your heart lands on, and God should understand that.

Keyword is should.

I don't know if it's true though, since the Bible says it's sin.

And I don't think we'll ever know for fact as long as we're alive. Well, I won't at least.

I have too much of an open mind apparently.

[Guest shiloh357]

I think you might need to reread my post. I am not making any room for it at all. I am merely suggesting that some people are born with this temptation in their sin nature. Of course, it doesn't become an action (sin) until they act on it, which happens after birth.

That is not true. No one is born with that orienation. And the desire is as sinful as the act. Jesus taught that just lusting after a woman was committing adultery with her in your heart. Sin begins in the heart long before it is committed in the flesh.

[Guest shiloh357]

Alright fine. But to say our homosexual tendencies have corrupted the animal world is ridiculous. Animals don't follow our example. Besides, to say it is unnatural would be to defy the very thing that you say God/god created. Why instill these tendencies in us, only to forbid them? We're like an experiment gone wrong.

He is not saying our homosexual tendencies have corrupted the world. What he is referring to is what the Bible teaches about how man's fall from grace in Eden subjected not only man but all of creation to effects of sin. The world is in a state of decay due to man's disobedience to God. Disease, death, sickness are all symptoms of a greater problem, which we know as sin.

God did not create homosexual tendencies. Homosexuality is perversion of the genuine sexuality God created to be shared between man and woman in marriage. In fact ALL sexual activitiy outside a loving monogomous marriage of a man and woman is a perversion of what He created.

[Fez]

The question at the beginning of this post was "Does God love Homosexuals Too?". Well yes of course He does, He is Love, so how could it be otherwise? Simple answer to a simple question I think.

[Guest shiloh357]

So why instill these desires, only to forbid them? And I mean sexual desires. We all have them and some people even teach that masturbation is a sin. I don't see how that can be given that it is a natural desire, it doesn't hurt anyone, its not sex outside of marriage, and it releases sexual tension that otherwise may have been used for something else.

God does not forbid sexual desire at all. He simply provides the boundaries within which it is to be enjoyed to the fullest.

What is "natural" is what God created and the use of what He created within the parameters of what He created it for. You are trying to label as "natural" anything that a person desires.

As for masturbation... You are wrong in sayinng it does not hurt anyone. Masturbation is selfish gratification where as true sexuality is not selfish by nature. A person who has their sexuality shaped by selfishness and brings that selfishness into a marriage brings immense hurt and pain into that marriage, as selfishness is the antithesis of a healthy marriage.

[Guest shiloh357]

Masturbation isn't selfish.

It is the epitome of selishness.

Our arms/hands are at the perfect height near our genitals. That isn't a mistake.

The word that comes to mind is "LAME."

And no I'm not trying to label anything a person desires as natural, just sexually.

Like child molestation? Beasiality? How about Rape? Those desires are okay in your book?

But sexual orientation cannot be changed. Just as transsexuals cannot be changed.

Yet it can and there are many former homsexuals who get saved and become normal people, get married and have children.

If everyone is made in God/god's eyes, than what a person is cannot be a mistake.

Everyone is made in God's image, but that does not mean every desire they have is put their by God. Mankind is born dead in sin and is born separated spiritually from God. The remedy/cure for homosexuality is Jesus. He delivers from sin including all forms of sexual perversion.

[Guest shiloh357]

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It is the epitome of selishness.

Would you rather someone take out their sexual desires on themselves or your daughter/son? And to say to not do it at all is a very severe form of repression that actually can have severe consequences in adulthood.

What??? So if someone doesn't masturbate, they will lack all self-control and abuse their children??? Sorry, but that line of reasoning is beneath my intelligence.

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The word that comes to mind is "LAME."

Thank you for being respectful. Would you like it if I scoffed at everything you said as lame? I don't think so. Two way street bud. And its not lame. Why not have arms down to our knees? It would make a lot of every day activities much easier. And safer.

Yeah, it is lame and I don't care if you like that description or not. That has got to be the WORST justification for masturbation I have enountered to date, not to mention bereft of any intellectual substance.

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Like child molestation? Beasiality? How about Rape? Those desires are okay in your book?

Rape is more a violent tendency. And child molesters also cannot be changed. Look at some of the Vatican priests. Clearly, all their faith couldn't change who they were. As well, the prophet Muhammad had a 9 year old wife. I'm not saying its right because its not, but your belief system has no grounds for saying its wrong. Beastiality is also natural. We've evolved so that we cannot procreate with other species, but that didn't get rid of the desire to do so. To each their own.

Rape has been linked in many cases, to pornography;' not all, but many cases. So you are okay with child molesters? To each their own??? You are seriously okay with predators seeking out little children to violate sexually? The fact that you can be okay with those things and even beastiality says alot about you.

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Yet it can and there are many former homsexuals who get saved and become normal people, get married and have children.

I don't believe their conversion for a second. They may believe in God/god, but they are still homosexuals. Humans are very good at inner denial. We're also very good at hiding second lifestyles that are more compatible with who we are.

Whether you believe it or not is irrelevant. They have left the homosexual lifestyle and Jesus has delivered them from the desire altogether. There are plenty of testimonies to this and you are not in any position to cast doubt on their credibility.

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Everyone is made in God's image, but that does not mean every desire they have is put their by God. Mankind is born dead in sin and is born separated spiritually from God. The remedy/cure for homosexuality is Jesus. He delivers from sin including all forms of sexual perversion.

I wouldn't say that to any homosexuals. Especially if they don't believe in God/god. And tell that to homosexual priests.

Actually it is the one thing we should be telling them. It is the message they need to hear.

[Guest lovinghim4ever]

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[Guest shiloh357]

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What??? So if someone doesn't masturbate, they will lack all self-control and abuse their children??? Sorry, but that line of reasoning is beneath my intelligence.

Sexual repression can lead to problems in adulthood. I find it interesting that you keep avoiding my comment that priests in the Vatican have abused boys. Not only homosexual tendencies, but child molestation. Maybe if they had masturbated and not been told it was a sin, they would have left the boys alone. I'd say that would be a better choice.

Not masturbating does not amount to sexual represssion. No thinking person will buy into that. I am not avoiding your comments on the Vatican priests. My comments include them. They are just as sinful as homosexuals and child predators who don't claim to be Christians, in fact, I don't consider them Christians at all. It is nonsense to claim that masturbation would have prevented them from such acts. In fact, given the kind of selfish gratification that masturbation produces, it would appear to actually increase the likelihood. Sexual predators like those priests demonstrate the kind of selfishness that accompanies child molestation and masturbation.

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Yeah, it is lame and I don't care if you like that description or not. That has got to be the WORST justification for masturbation I have enountered to date, not to mention bereft of any intellectual substance.

Well, its nice to see that ignornace is alive and well. But I'm above being ignorant when arguing against your logic. So, why aren't our arms down to our knees? As well, in earlier times, children were told that masturbation would lead to insanity, blindness, low IQ, etc. Since that isn't true, why should I believe that masturbation is selfish and a sin?

Yes, ignorance is alive and well and is aptly demonstrated in line of reasoning that justifies masturbation based on the fact that our hands can reach our genitals. That is pure nonsense and is a poor argument. I am not gong to waste any more time or bandwidth addressing a line of reasoning that has no intlelectual substance.

Are you okay with priests from your religion molesting young boys and claiming to be men of God/god? As well as taking sharp tools to childrens' genitals? I scoff at that pornography/rape link.

I am not Catholic and I don't consider those errant priests to be Christians in the first place. So they have nothing to do with my religion.

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Actually it is the one thing we should be telling them. It is the message they need to hear.

Who are you to decide what they need to hear? Vatican priests are more devout than you are. Are you going to tell them that your interpretation from God/god is more accurate than theirs?

They need to hear what the Bible says. Vatican priests who molest boys and/or are gay are NOT "devout" and should be thrown out of the priesthood. And yes, I will tell them that they are wrong, that God hates what they do and that if they don't allow Jesus to deliver them from that perversion and become Christians, they will go to hell.

You are not in any position to say they are being truthful.

If you cannot discredit them and demonstrate their claim to be false, there is no reason not to believe them. Their testimony would stand as true by default.

[Guest lovinghim4ever]

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