Denomic and Satanic Objects

[AndrewA]

3rd attempt to get a serious discussion going about items in our homes or comming into our homes that could pose a threat or danger to us in a number of ways. The things that dealing with fiaries etc are not to be disscussed here as thats on another thread.

This time ill make it a bit more shorter and to point.

Objects for satanic use.

HOw harmful are likes of crystal balls, ouji boards, tarot cards etc to the home, even if they lay hidden in a attic or wall unknown to the owners of the house for example, or it was something laying in bottom of a box of jumble or other items you have been given by family or friends. Is it possible that these items can actually create some sort of gateway or opening into the home for spirits to enter?

Objects used in satanic rituals

Now what about things like crystals, ropes knives, etc that have been used for occult purposes, if we were to come into possession of one of these items would we be better of discarding it? would we experience problems as a result of its history and past?

Objects that can create disharmony

THere are several ways in which this can happen, obviously one is personal, which we don't really need to dwell on, something may be a temptation to one man to sin while another man its nothing, such as alcohol. many items can create footholds within someones mind and that can manifest itself if allowed to.

However what about objects that come into the home that no one picks up on. One such example is a Christian family bought a painting and hung it up, things went wrong and there was disharmony in the home, on close inspection the picture contained some occult symbols and wording, once got rid off everything back to normal. Now, if no one knew about these symbols in the painting , how come we have a bad thing happen even though no one knew about it ?

Its same with certain leaflets and books that come in, many years ago a friend of mine had a leaflet on some occult practice come through the door, she left it in her draw all kind of things went wrong, it wasnt until pastor identified it and ripped it up and threw it out the house that everything suddenly went back to normal. Again why was this if its just simply an object.

So I ask you is it possible then that a demon can be associated with an object and follow it around creating problems regardless. Now can demons actually posses an object? already most people say no, so then if that is out the question then it could simply follow it. What about demons transforming themselves into objects?

We know demons will manifest themselves as ghosts and so on, while we on ghosts, do not ghosts haunt a location and place? if they are capable of this then keeping track on an object can not be too hard can it and creating mayhem out of a myth revolving around an item is not impossible either.

These are questions for you to discuss, certainly some answers are straightforward and should be universally acceptable, however there are a few interesting technical points that are rather thought provoking and intersting to deal with. SO post away!

[firehill]

3rd attempt to get a serious discussion going about...

Hey, about only 10% (maybe 15) of the population, christian or not is up for a SERIOUS discussion of anything...

[rtwo]

While I would certainly agree that not having certain occult items in the home is far and away the proper course for a Christian (crystal balls, ouija boards, tarot, etc.), I don't believe it's because these items in themselves hold any power.

In the cases you speak of, in which there is a painting or leaflet involved, once again, I doubt these objects are the actual cause. Demons don't need to inhabit a drawing in order to attack a family. While it's true they may (and again, they may use any object that will suit their purposes), I suspect it's not some left-over satanic power in these objects. Rather, it's the demons' knowledge that manipulation of such items will create a reaction based upon superstition, which draws away from the truth of Scripture.

I can think offhand of two ways in which someone may mistakenly come to the conclusion that their problems are being brought about by an object:

1. those individuals were using that object or allowing it to hold some signifigance for them. Or---

2. Sometimes stuff just happens. Then we find something on which to pin our problems (a scapegoat, if you will) and fool ourselves into believing that the object's destruction will end our crisis. This is akin to a self-fulfilling prophecy; it has more to do with the human psyche than with anything spiritual.

There is nothing special or magical about an ouija board. An occultist can actually get the same results using a water glass and scrabble tiles. The medium holds no power, except that provided by Satan. Take away the source, you've removed the power. Cursed objects do not exist, per se... though, as I said, a wonderful trick of Satan is to make people believe they do. But again, if you look at the history of hauntings and poltergeist activity, you see a great many objects -- non-occult-related -- said to be cursed similarly. These are things like writing desks and pendants and grandfather clocks; things that have nothing at all to do with necromancy or the worship of false gods. It is simply nothing more or less than making his best effort to decieve.

[firehill]

Are we having a 'battle' of belief here again? And the reason is because?

[rtwo]

Are we having a 'battle' of belief here again? And the reason is because?

He wanted discussion. If you want an "everyone agree with me" thread, please state so up front.

Nobody's battling. What is it with people assuming a difference of opinion is hateful argument?

[firehill]

Are we having a 'battle' of belief here again? And the reason is because?

He wanted discussion.

INDEED

If you want an "everyone agree with me" thread, please state so up front.

This doesn't answer my question...and has nothing to do with anything.

Nobody's battling.[/quote[

Uh, again, 'battle' (in quotes).

What is it with people assuming a difference of opinion is hateful argument?

You're assuming, AGAIN.

As I asked before, are we having a 'battle' of belief here again? And the reason is because?

[rtwo]

Are we having a 'battle' of belief here again? And the reason is because?

He wanted discussion.

INDEED

If you want an "everyone agree with me" thread, please state so up front.

This doesn't answer my question...and has nothing to do with anything.

Nobody's battling.[/quote[

Uh, again, 'battle' (in quotes).

What is it with people assuming a difference of opinion is hateful argument?

You're assuming, AGAIN.

As I asked before, are we having a 'battle' of belief here again? And the reason is because?

Okay, then the answer is no. Nobody's battling.

[firehill]

Rephrase. Are we not able to come into agreement here? NOT.

Why? Are we covering some extra deep biblical matter here or something that only few reach it's conclusion that is, knowledge departed from God? Nope.

You're right this thread hasn't become a battle field thus far and no doubt it won't become one.

[rtwo]

You're right this thread hasn't become a battle field thus far and no doubt it won't become one.

I think we can keep it civil. For the most part, the other topics on this subject actually have been. Mostly.

That said... i've said my piece on the subject so far... awaiting further discussion on topic...

[MeCajunboy]

3rd attempt to get a serious discussion going about items in our homes or comming into our homes that could pose a threat or danger to us in a number of ways. The things that dealing with fiaries etc are not to be disscussed here as thats on another thread.

This time ill make it a bit more shorter and to point.

Objects for satanic use.

HOw harmful are likes of crystal balls, ouji boards, tarot cards etc to the home, even if they lay hidden in a attic or wall unknown to the owners of the house for example, or it was something laying in bottom of a box of jumble or other items you have been given by family or friends. Is it possible that these items can actually create some sort of gateway or opening into the home for spirits to enter?

Objects used in satanic rituals

Now what about things like crystals, ropes knives, etc that have been used for occult purposes, if we were to come into possession of one of these items would we be better of discarding it? would we experience problems as a result of its history and past?

Objects that can create disharmony

THere are several ways in which this can happen, obviously one is personal, which we don't really need to dwell on, something may be a temptation to one man to sin while another man its nothing, such as alcohol. many items can create footholds within someones mind and that can manifest itself if allowed to.

However what about objects that come into the home that no one picks up on. One such example is a Christian family bought a painting and hung it up, things went wrong and there was disharmony in the home, on close inspection the picture contained some occult symbols and wording, once got rid off everything back to normal. Now, if no one knew about these symbols in the painting , how come we have a bad thing happen even though no one knew about it ?

Its same with certain leaflets and books that come in, many years ago a friend of mine had a leaflet on some occult practice come through the door, she left it in her draw all kind of things went wrong, it wasnt until pastor identified it and ripped it up and threw it out the house that everything suddenly went back to normal. Again why was this if its just simply an object.

So I ask you is it possible then that a demon can be associated with an object and follow it around creating problems regardless. Now can demons actually posses an object? already most people say no, so then if that is out the question then it could simply follow it. What about demons transforming themselves into objects?

We know demons will manifest themselves as ghosts and so on, while we on ghosts, do not ghosts haunt a location and place? if they are capable of this then keeping track on an object can not be too hard can it and creating mayhem out of a myth revolving around an item is not impossible either.

These are questions for you to discuss, certainly some answers are straightforward and should be universally acceptable, however there are a few interesting technical points that are rather thought provoking and intersting to deal with. SO post away!

Cajunboy:::: Blessings Andrew, Can I guess that you've ventured into this "grey" area you're referencing?? Have to dealt with th "supernatural" or occult other than that which connects you and God?? Or are you just curious of these objects you speak of.

Andrew, most of us here are "Christian based and Bible based. This means that we are to adhere to what God has told us about the things you are questioning. Ex. ouiji boards, and demonized objects. The thing is as it would apply to anything in that realm, "If you don't entertain it, or you dismiss it, God will not allow it to "demonize" us or God will protect us when we ask for HIS protection. Another way to test your theory is to simply walk near a store full of "ouiji" boards in a store and note if anything "evil" happens to you! This may sound a bit far fetched but it's really no different that what you're suggesting or even when you visit a friend and he/she has a ouiji board on their bed. Are you in jeopardy because you came to visit your sick friend or hang out with them?? Think not. At the same time, if you're visiting that same friend and he/she wants you to participate in a "sin" that you are aware is sin like, "sex" or a homosexual act or something of that nature, and you agree......that would be more in the area of sinning or entertaining someone that is involved in an act of sin. The Bible says, "Leave that person immediately or tell them about their sinful nature and if they still insist on committing the sin....leave their presence! As I said in an earlier post on your topic......II believe that God is more concerned with what affects you heart and head or a sinful nature . If you know that you have Pornography or adult magazines in your room, you may be sinning, because of the fact that you know it insinuates that you don't want to get rid of it. this might be viewed harshly by God. Or perhaps if you have an object in your house that insults God or HIS Laws, ex. Someone might have a picture of Jesus on the Cross and have it haning upside down......Now this would be purposeful, blatent sin! Because it's a purposeful act against God!

Your thoughts??

Cajunboy