Steff Posted May 19, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 86 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 624 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/20/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted May 19, 2004 Not all who claim to be christians, ARE christians. And not everyone who claims to be right is right either. Being Christian has nothing to do with believing in evolution or an old earth arkon, I hope you realize that. It's all about acceptance of the trinity and Jesus being the savior. Many Christians like myself accept the savior yet reject a literal reading of Genesis as a scientific truth. As a scientist and a man of God, I find that the evidence must stand on it's own and knowing the long history of the bible a literal interpretation is naive. A figurative reading does not diminish the impact of the lesson and fits with what scientific evidence we have today. If we do not take every passage in the bible literally then I do not see the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Traffic Demon Posted May 19, 2004 Share Posted May 19, 2004 Steff - Love the Asimov quote, do you have a source for it? --TDv2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted May 19, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 86 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 624 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/20/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted May 19, 2004 (edited) I borrowed it from a website about him a while back, I cut and pasted the quotes from several famous people into documents. However, I do believe it's in one of the books I've read about his life as well. The quote just seemed to fit the discussion . Also found here: Famous Quotes Edited May 19, 2004 by Steff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted May 19, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.92 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted May 19, 2004 Nebula Arkon - honestly - Where in the world did you get the idea that I ever denied my God as being the Creator of the world? Perhaps I misunderstood your beliefs. Sorry Accepted. I believe in God, the Creator of Heaven and Earth. It just makes more sense to me to read Genesis 1 as a poetic account of creation rather than as an historical or scienctific account. As such, it doesn't have to abide by our rules of "literallness." Thus the word "day" could be used as a symbol rather than as a strict 24-hour time period. By the way, before you continue arguing certain points, I highly recommend you check this we page from the Answers in Genesis website: Arguments we think creationists should NOT use <<-- LINK Here are a couple of samples: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Timer Posted May 20, 2004 Group: Soapbox - Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 68 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 962 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 52 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/18/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/11/1932 Share Posted May 20, 2004 For Traffic Damon, Steff, Nebula and other Christians who spiritualize, fantasize, or other wise doubt the historicity of the first chapters of Genesis. Please explain this: Luke 3:23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 For Traffic Damon, Steff, Nebula and other Christians who spiritualize, fantasize, or other wise doubt the historicity of the first chapters of Genesis. Please explain this: Luke 3:23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest matthew517 Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 BobTriez - In response to your question God created death. As it is written: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Timer Posted May 20, 2004 Group: Soapbox - Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 68 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 962 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 52 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/18/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/11/1932 Share Posted May 20, 2004 No one, at least to my knowledge is talking about the historical characters of Scripture. Please do not try to change the subject. Shiloh, I jumped into this thread without reading the entire 38 previous pages in their entirety. Sorry about that. I didn't realize you were limiting it to only to the first six days of creation. From a post by Traffic Demon I thought the first 11 chapters were in question. In any case, trying to fit vast ages into those six days makes little sense unless you rearrange the order of the days, combine certain events, and pretty much disregard everything except "God created." It has probably been stated before but the meaning of the Hebrew is talking about six literal days (evening and morning, numbered.) Ignore it if you will, but that's what it says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted May 20, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.92 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted May 20, 2004 It still puzzles me that everyone forgets that the Earth already existed before the "6 days" of Creation. Genesis 1 The Creation 1Â In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2Â The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. 3Â Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Timer Posted May 20, 2004 Group: Soapbox - Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 68 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 962 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 52 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/18/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/11/1932 Share Posted May 20, 2004 It still puzzles me that everyone forgets that the Earth already existed before the "6 days" of Creation. Yes, "the gap theory," another debate. The real question for those that support it is what went on between verse 1 and verse 2. Young's Literal Translation: "the earth hath existed waste and void" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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