Grungekid Posted September 14, 2007 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 660 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/01/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1990 Share Posted September 14, 2007 Was that you, Josh? Sorry, I just forgot who said that and I was unable to find where it was in the thread. Maybe my eyes are melting away or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAZARD Posted September 15, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 320 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 6,830 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3,570 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/16/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted September 15, 2007 Wayne B, Do I deny that Jesus was divine? Absolutely not! He was divine. Think of all the things Jesus did and soon will do. Philippians says he was in the form of God, (which means something totally different than the trinitarian based translation of the New Living Translation) and counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped. That scripture makes sence if he is the Son of God because he proceeded from God, that makes him divine. However, not Almighty God. A formost truth of Christianity is that of the ransom of Jesus. Wayne, do you deny the ransom? Did the co-eternal God Jesus died or didn't he? If he died, he is not eternal. If he didn't die, then there was no ransom. Why did Jesus, being God, have to learn obedience? Read John 6:38. At John 20:17 Jesus told Mary Magdalene to tell the disciples: "I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God." And Jesus continued to refer to Him as such even in the last book of the Bible, after he was glorified. My God does not die. (Habakkuk 1:12) 1/3rd of your God did, according to your teachings. Jesus did not claim to be God, infact, 1 Corinthians 11:3 says that the head of Christ is God. Co-equal? Jesus is my Savior. He is my ransomer, my Lord and redeemer. King. He died as a ransom for all mankind. I am not trying to upset anyone or glorify myself. I simply wish to help those sincerely want to know answers from God's Holy Bible. I aim to please God, not this privately funded and privately owned message board. I hope that clears things up for you from my end, why don't you explain to my Wayne who Jesus is to you, with scriptures. "why don't you explain to my Wayne who Jesus is to you, with scriptures.". Jesus Christ existed in His Spirit body throughout all eternity past, untill He divested Himself of His Spirit body and became a man. As God He has always existed. But, as a man, in taking human form, flesh and blood, He had a beginning. Scripture, show that Jesus Christ was one of the three divine persons of the Deity and that as God he had no beginning. Mic. 5:2 states He existed from all eternity. John states of Him as existing in the very beginning with the Father (John 1;1-5). Jesus Himself said He was before Abraham, and before the World was created (John 8:58; 17:5, 24). Paul states Christ as existing before all things and as the creator and upholder of all things (Col. 1:15-18; Heb. 1:1-3, 8; 2:10). God the Father created all things by Jesus (Eph. 3:9). Divine names are ascribed to Him. These divine names and titles proves that He is by nature divine and a member of the Godhead. He is called God and Immanuel in (Matt. 1:23; John 1:1; 20:28 and Acts 20:28). Christ the Lord (Luke 2:26); The Son of God (Matt. 4:3; 14:33; Luke 22:70; John 1:34; Rom. 1:4). He is called "MY SON" by the Father in (Matt. 3:17); The only begotten Son (John 1:18; 3:16-18; 1 John 4:9). He is called the First and the Last. Alpha and Omega, The beginning and Ending (Rev. 22:12, 13, 16). The Lord (Acts9:17); The Son of the Highest (Luke 1:32; Mark 14:61). The Holy Child Jesus (Acts 4:30); King of Kings and Lord of Lords (Rev. 19:16); Lord and Savious (2 Peter 3:2); and The Word Of God (Rev. 19:13), and many more such titles show He is a member of the Divine Godhead. In Phil. 2:5-11 Paul speaks of Christ being in God's form and that He laid aside this form and limited His attributes and powers as God to become a man. These powers were given back to Him when He was exalted to the highest place with God, (Coll. 3:1; Mark 16:19), after His lowest humiliation and limitation before God-even to do nothing, say nothing, be nothing and depend entirely upon God the Father for needed grace for body, soul, and spirit, and make a sucess of the work the Father sent Him into the world to do (Phil 2:9-11; Eph. 1:21-23; Col. 1:15-24; 1 Pet. 3:22). We know He did not keep His powers and position whilst a man, else He could not have been exalted back to it. If He had not laid aside all His Glory and power He could not have had it restored to Him as stated in John 17:5. If He had retained all His riches while on Earth He could not have become poor for our sakes as taught in 2 Cor. 8:9. If He had kept His divine form He could not have taken on human form as taught by Phil. 2:5-11. His incarnation proves He was limited as a man and grew to manhood as we all do, and He developed normally as any other human child. All the traditional theories of Him making toy birds and animals of mud and breathing life into them so they became real creatures and ran and flew away, and the many other miraculous powers He allegedly had from birth are mere theories and traditions made up by suspicious pagans to make Him equal with their pagan gods. He was a normal man as we are, and He did no miraculous works untill He was anointed fully by the Holy Spirit (Matt. 3:16-17; John 2:11). After Jesus was annointed by the Holy Spirit to the full, He then posessed all the gifts and Graces of the Holy Spirit to the full, and He demonstrated what being like God among men really is like and He encouraged one and all who aspire to this exalted position, of sons of God with Power (John 3:34; Acts 10:38). He laid aside His natural and divine attributes, and their use, and became a perfect example of yieldedness to God and His Spirit to overcome the world, the flesh, and the devil (Heb. 10:5-9; Acts 10:38). Regarding His Humanity. Human names were ascribed to Him. Rabboni (John 20:16), Jesus (Matt. 1:21), Son of Abraham and David (Matt. 1:1), Seed and Offspring of David(Rom. 1:3; Rev. 5:5; 22:16). The second man and the Last Adam (1 Cor. 15:45-47). The King of the Jews (Matt. 2:2). He was called a "BABE," a "CHILD," and a "MAN" (Luke 2:16; Isa. 9:6; Acts 17:31; 1 Tim. 2L4-5; Rom. 5:12-21; John 8:40; Acts 2:22; 1 Cor. 15:21, 45-47). It was prophecied that He would be born of a human mother (Gen. 3:15; Isa. 7:14; 9:6-7; 11:1; 53:1-12; Ps. 22). And He had flesh and blood like all other men (John 1:14; Heb. 2:14-15; 1 John 4:1-6; Luke 24:39; John 19:34). Jesus Christ, in His glorified flesh and bone body, now sits beside the Father in Heaven (Luke 24:39; John 20:27; Mark 16:19; Luke 22:69), for the Father, who is and did remain a Spirit being, is Spirit and has a Spirit body, and must be worshiped in Spirit and truth (John 4:24). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrLuke Posted September 16, 2007 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 628 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/07/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1985 Share Posted September 16, 2007 My God does not die. (Habakkuk 1:12) 1/3rd of your God did, according to your teachings. How do you think of dying? The body just giving up and ceasing to live? You need to look at it from eternal perspective.. the spirit in people doesn't "die" it just transfers from the physical world to the spiritual world. Jesus had God dwell in Him fully, dying was just the mortal man side that went, Jesus as God's spirit just went to heaven and came back to resurrect His body into it's glorified state - which is what the disciples saw. So God didn't cease to be for 3 days and then reappear, no, the bodily form of Jesus died for 3 days and then was restored and glorified! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua-777 Posted September 16, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 410 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 3,102 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 522 Days Won: 6 Joined: 10/19/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/07/1984 Share Posted September 16, 2007 Was that you, Josh? Sorry, I just forgot who said that and I was unable to find where it was in the thread. Maybe my eyes are melting away or something. Ya that was me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogs and bees Posted September 16, 2007 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 6 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/16/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/22/1960 Share Posted September 16, 2007 Is Jesus God, Yes. He said I am in the father, and the father is in me, The bible is simple to dumbfound the wise, and the only way to really look at this is a child like view, thats what faith is, Look at it as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grungekid Posted September 17, 2007 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 660 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/01/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1990 Share Posted September 17, 2007 After Jesus was annointed by the Holy Spirit to the full, He then posessed all the gifts and Graces of the Holy Spirit to the full, and He demonstrated what being like God among men really is like and He encouraged one and all who aspire to this exalted position, of sons of God with Power (John 3:34; Acts 10:38). Wait a minute HAZARD, are you saying that Jesus was at one point only semi-divine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAZARD Posted September 17, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 320 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 6,830 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3,570 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/16/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted September 17, 2007 After Jesus was annointed by the Holy Spirit to the full, He then posessed all the gifts and Graces of the Holy Spirit to the full, and He demonstrated what being like God among men really is like and He encouraged one and all who aspire to this exalted position, of sons of God with Power (John 3:34; Acts 10:38). Wait a minute HAZARD, are you saying that Jesus was at one point only semi-divine? ____________________________________________________ Divine names are ascribed to Him. These divine names and titles proves that He is by nature divine and a member of the Godhead. He is called God and Immanuel in (Matt. 1:23; John 1:1; 20:28 and Acts 20:28). He laid aside His natural and divine attributes, and their use, and became a perfect example of yieldedness to God and His Spirit to overcome the world, the flesh, and the devil (Heb. 10:5-9; Acts 10:38). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua-777 Posted September 17, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 410 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 3,102 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 522 Days Won: 6 Joined: 10/19/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/07/1984 Share Posted September 17, 2007 After Jesus was annointed by the Holy Spirit to the full, He then posessed all the gifts and Graces of the Holy Spirit to the full, and He demonstrated what being like God among men really is like and He encouraged one and all who aspire to this exalted position, of sons of God with Power (John 3:34; Acts 10:38). Wait a minute HAZARD, are you saying that Jesus was at one point only semi-divine? ____________________________________________________ Divine names are ascribed to Him. These divine names and titles proves that He is by nature divine and a member of the Godhead. He is called God and Immanuel in (Matt. 1:23; John 1:1; 20:28 and Acts 20:28). He laid aside His natural and divine attributes, and their use, and became a perfect example of yieldedness to God and His Spirit to overcome the world, the flesh, and the devil (Heb. 10:5-9; Acts 10:38). I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grungekid Posted September 18, 2007 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 660 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/01/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1990 Share Posted September 18, 2007 After Jesus was annointed by the Holy Spirit to the full, He then posessed all the gifts and Graces of the Holy Spirit to the full, and He demonstrated what being like God among men really is like and He encouraged one and all who aspire to this exalted position, of sons of God with Power (John 3:34; Acts 10:38). Wait a minute HAZARD, are you saying that Jesus was at one point only semi-divine? ____________________________________________________ Divine names are ascribed to Him. These divine names and titles proves that He is by nature divine and a member of the Godhead. He is called God and Immanuel in (Matt. 1:23; John 1:1; 20:28 and Acts 20:28). He laid aside His natural and divine attributes, and their use, and became a perfect example of yieldedness to God and His Spirit to overcome the world, the flesh, and the devil (Heb. 10:5-9; Acts 10:38). Alright, it just seemed momentarilly that you said He was only partly divine until His annointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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