i need to understand

[patricia1]

I live in a area where I say I need not to go to the nations for the nations are over here.there are a number of questions I have. Number one I am sure I can get teaching and understanding on.

I have had the privelege to work in many homes of the hasidum. With this came the allowence to look at their library downstairs. the girls bedrooms were downstairs and i was privvy to the same. In reading a number of accounts of the war their conclusions of such a horrific happening was due to assimilation of goyum practises into their lifestyle. How can this be that they can believe tha t. Has any person heard of this. There was a book that I cannot find in ciculation anywhere, in this book discusses that many rabbis prior to the war were having visions and dreams. People listened but noone actually understood and these prophicies were some time before the happening and had been forgotten. The book may have had the word ash it in but it was not out of the ashes.

The children themselves are having visions of the return of Christ yet due to judaism believe they are seeing the Messiahs return, even one schoolgirl had seen Him riding on a white horse. It was all i can do to keep my mouth shut as the Lord instructed. I had gotten time to pray throughout the whole house for i needed to return to get my pocketbook there. It was not like me to such a thing. They knew I was coming. When I got there, no one was home...no one that was unusual for she had 11 children. I took the opportunity to annoint and pray through the house.

What are the differences between the many different offshoots of judaism. The Luboviches,, orthodox, hasidum and so forth.

In the library studing the pentetauch and discussing other things with a jewish man I was surprised that the hasidum do not consider Israel a nation. or maybe I mis understood. I am bold to witness and had gone to messianic congregations. I am unable to go at this time. thank you

[Guest]

Oh Dear Sister!

How Heart Wrenching!

Praise The LORD!

He Is Faithful And True!

He Is Restoring His Beloved Israel!

I Rejoice To See The Days Of Grace Dawning Upon The Children Of Jacob.

And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed. And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

Joel 2:27-29

I Add My Prayers

I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem, which shall never hold their peace day nor night: ye that make mention of the LORD, keep not silence, And give him no rest, till he establish, and till he make Jerusalem a praise in the earth.

Isaiah 62:6-7

Be Blessed Beloved Daughter Of The KING

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.

Numbers 6:24-27

Come Quickly Lord Jesus, Come Quickly

Maranatha!

Hallelujah!

Love, Your Brother Joe

[Guest Ger_Tzedek]

In reading a number of accounts of the war their conclusions of such a horrific happening was due to assimilation of goyum practises into their lifestyle. How can this be that they can believe tha t. Has any person heard of this.

I haven't heard of it before but it wouldn't surprise me. I'm friends with the wives of the rabbis of two different Chabad houses, so I'll ask them. However, assimilation is the enemy of the Jewish people. Even the messianics know that. Those that believe God disciplines His people might conclude that the war and the things in it might have had to do with assimilation. Personally, I think the Shoah was more directly due to the evil in men, and secondarily a product of Christian supersessionism, which gave birth to anti-Semitism.

There was a book that I cannot find in ciculation anywhere, in this book discusses that many rabbis prior to the war were having visions and dreams. People listened but noone actually understood and these prophicies were some time before the happening and had been forgotten. The book may have had the word ash it in but it was not out of the ashes.

The children themselves are having visions of the return of Christ yet due to judaism believe they are seeing the Messiahs return, even one schoolgirl had seen Him riding on a white horse. It was all i can do to keep my mouth shut as the Lord instructed.

I'm glad you had the wisdom not to speak at what would have been the wrong time. Remember that in Joseph, as the right hand of Pharoah in Egypt, sustained his brothers for a long time, even though they didn't recognize him. It is enough to know that Yeshua is in their midst, sustaining them. How could he not be? Is he not one of them?

What are the differences between the many different offshoots of judaism. The Luboviches,, orthodox, hasidum and so forth.

There are not "many thousands" of offshoots of Judaism. It is not like Protestantism at all. In Protestantism, each individual believes they may personally interpret scripture. There has never been any such notion in all the history of Israel. Israel has always been a people, a community. Deuteronomy 17 instructs that if there is a question regarding the interpretation of the law, to go to the judges and priests, and do whatever they instruct, and go neither to the right or the left. Those who refuse to abide by this oral law (called halakha) are instructed in Deuteronomy to be put to death.

You really only have five denominations within Judaism: Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Reconstruction, and Messianic. The Reform broke with halakha back in the 1800's. However, they realized their mistake, and have become progressively more conservative. In the meantime, the Conservative movement developed as sort of not as extreme as the Reform, but not as anti-scholarship and reactive as the Orthodox. As time has progressed, the Orthodox have lightened up on their anti-scholarship mentality as well. Thus, the Reform have become more Orthodox, and the Orthodox less reactive. They are moving to reunification. The other groups you mentioned -- the lubavitchers, chabad, and the like, are movements WITHIN Orthodoxy. They follow the teachings of a set of very charismatic, very spiritual, very ... well, yeshua-like rabbis. They tend to be the most mystical, heart-felt, loving, and open. They have an amazing charism of inviting Jews to an extremely high level of observance without coming across as judgmental.

In the library studing the pentetauch and discussing other things with a jewish man I was surprised that the hasidum do not consider Israel a nation. or maybe I mis understood. I am bold to witness and had gone to messianic congregations. I am unable to go at this time. thank you

They believe that Israel will not be restored as a nation until Meschiach returns.

Witness only if asked. 1. Do you wish others to force their beliefs in your face? Treat others as we would be treated. 2. Remember that Yeshua is already in their midst although they do not recognize him. They are not needy. Their eyes are simply veiled by G-d, as Rav Shaul said in Romans 11. 3. After nearly two millenium of Anti-Semitism and countless deaths of Jews due to the supersessionism of Christians, don't you think they deserve a break from well intentioned Christians? Please don't violate the sanctity of their home.

Edited August 8, 2007 by Ger_Tzedek

[patricia1]

In reading a number of accounts of the war their conclusions of such a horrific happening was due to assimilation of goyum practises into their lifestyle. How can this be that they can believe tha t. Has any person heard of this.

I haven't heard of it before but it wouldn't surprise me. I'm friends with the wives of the rabbis of two different Chabad houses, so I'll ask them. However, assimilation is the enemy of the Jewish people. Even the messianics know that. Those that believe God disciplines His people might conclude that the war and the things in it might have had to do with assimilation. Personally, I think the Shoah was more directly due to the evil in men, and secondarily a product of Christian supersessionism, which gave birth to anti-Semitism.

There was a book that I cannot find in ciculation anywhere, in this book discusses that many rabbis prior to the war were having visions and dreams. People listened but noone actually understood and these prophicies were some time before the happening and had been forgotten. The book may have had the word ash it in but it was not out of the ashes.

The children themselves are having visions of the return of Christ yet due to judaism believe they are seeing the Messiahs return, even one schoolgirl had seen Him riding on a white horse. It was all i can do to keep my mouth shut as the Lord instructed.

I'm glad you had the wisdom not to speak at what would have been the wrong time. Remember that in Joseph, as the right hand of Pharoah in Egypt, sustained his brothers for a long time, even though they didn't recognize him. It is enough to know that Yeshua is in their midst, sustaining them. How could he not be? Is he not one of them?

What are the differences between the many different offshoots of judaism. The Luboviches,, orthodox, hasidum and so forth.

There are not "many thousands" of offshoots of Judaism. It is not like Protestantism at all. In Protestantism, each individual believes they may personally interpret scripture. There has never been any such notion in all the history of Israel. Israel has always been a people, a community. Deuteronomy 17 instructs that if there is a question regarding the interpretation of the law, to go to the judges and priests, and do whatever they instruct, and go neither to the right or the left. Those who refuse to abide by this oral law (called halakha) are instructed in Deuteronomy to be put to death.

You really only have five denominations within Judaism: Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Reconstruction, and Messianic. The Reform broke with halakha back in the 1800's. However, they realized their mistake, and have become progressively more conservative. In the meantime, the Conservative movement developed as sort of not as extreme as the Reform, but not as anti-scholarship and reactive as the Orthodox. As time has progressed, the Orthodox have lightened up on their anti-scholarship mentality as well. Thus, the Reform have become more Orthodox, and the Orthodox less reactive. They are moving to reunification. The other groups you mentioned -- the lubavitchers, chabad, and the like, are movements WITHIN Orthodoxy. They follow the teachings of a set of very charismatic, very spiritual, very ... well, yeshua-like rabbis. They tend to be the most mystical, heart-felt, loving, and open. They have an amazing charism of inviting Jews to an extremely high level of observance without coming across as judgmental.

In the library studing the pentetauch and discussing other things with a jewish man I was surprised that the hasidum do not consider Israel a nation. or maybe I mis understood. I am bold to witness and had gone to messianic congregations. I am unable to go at this time. thank you

They believe that Israel will not be restored as a nation until Meschiach returns.

Witness only if asked. 1. Do you wish others to force their beliefs in your face? Treat others as we would be treated. 2. Remember that Yeshua is already in their midst although they do not recognize him. They are not needy. Their eyes are simply veiled by G-d, as Rav Shaul said in Romans 11. 3. After nearly two millenium of Anti-Semitism and countless deaths of Jews due to the supersessionism of Christians, don't you think they deserve a break from well intentioned Christians? Please don't violate the sanctity of their home.

thank you so much for your great answers. I am bold but not forceful...just want to let yo know that..They seem as interested in me as I in what I can learn from Them. I find mostly refreshing to sit an let someone know within their community that they are recieved. There is so much prejudicsm here , I am not Jewish so a little more understanding goes a long way....My daughter plays with the childre and even though thy speak mostly yiddis, she speaks in tougues cos she thinks it is what she is supposed to do until I explained that they will speak english soon. But if they have a friend over thier friends are taken back that she comes over there to play. The Jewish man explained a number of things to me even about the death of able and any death of a person...its wiping out a whol lineage mad me think in different ways..

Jesus never being forcefulwith peopl always gentle and loving...If I cannot be I stay home

once again thank you for not only the answers but the directness and swifness in which you answered them...

and joe I felt the anointing of you prayers

love in christ patricia

[Guest Ger_Tzedek]

thank you so much for your great answers. I am bold but not forceful...just want to let yo know that..They seem as interested in me as I in what I can learn from Them. I find mostly refreshing to sit an let someone know within their community that they are recieved. There is so much prejudicsm here , I am not Jewish so a little more understanding goes a long way....My daughter plays with the childre and even though thy speak mostly yiddis, she speaks in tougues cos she thinks it is what she is supposed to do until I explained that they will speak english soon. But if they have a friend over thier friends are taken back that she comes over there to play. The Jewish man explained a number of things to me even about the death of able and any death of a person...its wiping out a whol lineage mad me think in different ways..

Jesus never being forcefulwith peopl always gentle and loving...If I cannot be I stay home

love in christ patricia

Patricia, are you named after St Patrick?

Yiddish is fascinating. I took three years of German in high school, so although I don't speak Yiddish, I understand most of it.

I was thinking after I signed off that the easiest way for you to learn some things very fast is to rent a video called "Stranger Among Us" starring Melanie Griffith and Robert Avrech -- a gentile cop goes undercover in a Chasidic household in order to solve a murder.

I know that you are aching to share Jesus. But I wish that I could convey to you the treasure chest you have found. It is very, very unusual for a family such as this to allow a gentile into their home the way they have welcomed you in. They have a spiritual richness and wealth you can't imagine which (if you can lay down your preconceived notions that they are spiritually needy) will bless you.

And if they ever, ever invite you to Friday night dinner, DO say yes, and bring flowers.

I'm not a Chabidnik, nor an expert. I just know them and love them. Please continue asking whatever you are unsure of. I'll answer if I can. If I don't know, I'll try to find out.

Shalom.

Edited August 8, 2007 by Ger_Tzedek