Giaour Posted September 14, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 179 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,941 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/28/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/08/1964 Share Posted September 14, 2007 Matthew 20 verse 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
None Posted September 14, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 39 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,513 Content Per Day: 0.24 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/05/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/01/1908 Share Posted September 14, 2007 Good topic, I'd like to see opinions on this also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giaour Posted September 14, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 179 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,941 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/28/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/08/1964 Author Share Posted September 14, 2007 I know it speaks of humility but was He using it to tell us; that those saved during the last days will be first in the kingdom? or those who are saved later in life will be first? or because God came first to the Jews and then to the Gentiles that the Gentiles will be the first to enter in the kingdom? or the last person to die will be the first resurrected? or the angels were created first and man last which means man will rule over the angels? Or none of these and that we are just to be satisfied with what God gives us? Or am I just reading too much into this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
None Posted September 14, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 39 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,513 Content Per Day: 0.24 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/05/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/01/1908 Share Posted September 14, 2007 I always thought it meant that the least known child of God will be the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven and the person with the greatest worldly popularity would be the least in the Kingdom on Heaven. Or something along those lines. Humility is a key factor. From here: 4)You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God. 5)Or do you think Scripture says without reason that the spirit he caused to live in us envies intensely? 6)But he gives us more grace. That is why Scripture says: "God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damo1 Posted September 14, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,822 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/23/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/16/1967 Share Posted September 14, 2007 from damo1 MATTHEW 20 VERSE 16 in this way the last wil be first and the first wil be last i had a talk with my pastor as i have heard pastors speak of this topic you can also look at matthew 24 30+31 and you can also read matthew 20 parable of the workers in the vinyard read from verse 1 to verse 16 as it also says this in the parable of the workers in the vinyard so the last wil be first and the first wil be last as the owner was wanting to be fair as in this story the men that wear hired last got payed the same wages as every one else yet i also am only going by what i heard in the sermons i sat in under this topic and one pastor said even if one person gives his heart at the last moment when our christ comes back for us he to wil be pulled up in the cloud with every one else yet if some one can correct me i wil be intrested yet i was told to say it as it is said in matthew 20 verse 16 so i hope this helps from damo1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted September 14, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted September 14, 2007 The context of the passage is Jesus' parable regarding the landowner who hired workers at various times during the day, but then chose to pay them all the same wage regardless of the time they labored (Matthew 20:1-15). Jesus was showing that the economy of God's kingdom is very different than the economy of the world. Those that worked in the vineyard clearly did not have servants hearts. They expected to to be recompensed for the number of hours they worked. True biblical service does not take that into account. It is not the amount of time one serves that determines eternal reward, it is the condition of one's heart. Thus in God's kingdom there will be no difference between the one who served later, and the one who served earlier. God will judge them by their heart. The first will literally be last and the last first, because they will not be evaluated based on the amount of time they served. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches Posted September 14, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 95 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,315 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/25/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted September 14, 2007 Eric, i was with you up to the last sentence. I dont understand how those who laboured first get to be last. i mean, arent we all at the same level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted September 14, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted September 14, 2007 Eric, i was with you up to the last sentence. I dont understand how those who laboured first get to be last. i mean, arent we all at the same level? The statement the "first will be last and the last first" is a way of saying that in terms of "time in service" there is no difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches Posted September 14, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 95 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,315 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/25/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted September 14, 2007 so if there is no diff, how are the first last and the last first? why make that distinction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted September 14, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted September 14, 2007 so if there is no diff, how are the first last and the last first? why make that distinction? I believe it is just a manner of speech that indicates that rewards in the kingdom are not based on the length of time served Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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