Sherman Posted November 19, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 278 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/21/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/22/1962 Author Share Posted November 19, 2007 By the way, understanding what Jesus said concerning MDR is like understanding Forest and Jenny (on Forest Gump) being just like peas and carrots! I think some might have misunderstood this post; I'm sorry. I was simply trying to use a little humor to point out how important it is for us to recognize that the Word has idiomatic (culturally specific) phrases. We some times either assume a wrong interpretation or completely misunderstand what is written because such phrases can not be interpreted word-for-word. If they are, they loose their meaning. For example, in the movie Forest Gump, Forest says that he and Jenny are like "peas and carrots." This is a idiomatic phrase unique to the Southern US, the "South" (another idiomatic phrase). Being like "peas and carrots" means that two people who are very different fit together to make something good. They go well together. They belong together. Understanding idiomatic phrases is very important, this is especially important to understand the Mt.19 passage concerning divorce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damo1 Posted November 19, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,822 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/23/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/16/1967 Share Posted November 19, 2007 damo1 to sherman hay no one has mis understood your post it is very clear you wil though get people like this and i am about to leave a message for one person to respond to me its ok brother this is a good thread if it stay on its path with out it being pulled i run into plenty people like one poster who wants nothing but to add what gods word says with out thinking i have rebuked and i have challanged sevral people in this town i have a friend who cousels divorceed couples and he has a healing ministry as wel and he is a power ful man of god whith such a lovely heart to wear he almost feels for people like our selves that have gone threw this and he challanges the body of christ to wake up to its self and stop confusing the scriptures as people are good at doing this and my freind understands the bible very wel brother do not let this up set you its a good thread and i feel we can all learn from this if we open up to our selves and let god do the rest god bles from your brother in the lord damien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damo1 Posted November 19, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,822 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/23/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/16/1967 Share Posted November 19, 2007 damo1 to cardcaptor i am weighting for your responce please read my posts i have left hear you wil find them i wil not pounce on you i wil not even get into a biblical argument with you i just want to talk openly with you on this topic you wil find i am an understanding and a caring man i do not belive in hidding behind bible passages when it comes to topics like this i only give bible refrences that mean something to me or how this has helped me as a person and my bible is highlighted with many scripture passages that are personal to me wear god has spoken into my life i do not hold a ba or a theology but my understanding of gods word comes from the holy spirit i wil come back latter to see what you have to say to me on what i have pointed out in the posts i have left and i hope you also alow others to share hear openly as this is a place wear people should be able to do this and also grow it can not go one way brother from your brother in the lord damien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherman Posted November 20, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 278 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/21/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/22/1962 Author Share Posted November 20, 2007 As mentioned earlier, understanding the Context of a verse is very important to understanding the verse. For example, Mt.19.1 mentions that Jesus crossed the Jordan Mt.19.1-3 "Now it came to pass, when Jesus had finished these sayings, that He departed from Galilee and came to the region of Judea beyond the Jordan. And great multitudes followed Him, and He healed them there. The Pharisees also came to Him, testing Him, and saying to Him, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smalcald Posted November 20, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,258 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 42 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/16/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/22/1960 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Let me ask this, are some of you stating that I should stay in an abusive mariage where the kiddos are in danger, he cheats, lies, looks at porno, does drugs and is also has a problem with drinking- . I would really like to hear the opinions and scriputre of how to save this dead marriage. zg So, is anyone going to answer this ? zg Hi, Scripture is clear that in your situation as outlined above you are free to divorce and re-marry. Beyond that you are making a smart and wise move to leave for the sake of your children. Hopefully someday he will change and be able to be a good father to his kids, but right now I think you are doing the right thing for your children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherman Posted November 20, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 278 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/21/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/22/1962 Author Share Posted November 20, 2007 Cardcaptor, I really do appreciate your passion for the Lord and desire to follow Him with your whole heart. Concerning your conviction that it's wrong for divorce's to remarry, I disagree but I do appreciate your devotion to the Lord. I'll get into more why I disagree later; I pretty methodical, not pretty, but methodical, so please bear with me. I believe that the "plain" meaning of Jesus' words in our translations today do not reflect what He intended, nor do they reflect what His first century Jewith audience would have understood. I believe that Jesus actually addressed a couple of different but related issues: 1) Men divorcing their wives for selfish reasons, particularly "in order to marry another." And 2) Men abandoning/expelling their wives without giving them a bill of divorce and thus relegating such expelled wives to an adulterated state (single and not supported, but not able to legally marry another man.) This is born out in the Aramaic version of Mt.19, and in the Greek in 1 Cor. 7. I'll share why I believe such later when I have more time to post. By the way, I'm happily married 19 years to wife of my youth; and neither of us have ever been previously married or divorced. So, I have no vested interest in trying to promote something to suit my own desires. But several years ago I came across some information that radically changed my understanding of what Jesus said concerning divorce. The more I researched this information to verify it's accuracy, the more I found erroneous with the traditional doctrine of divorce. I'll share more of this as we proceed on this thread. And by the way, thanks for the civil replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smalcald Posted November 20, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,258 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 42 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/16/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/22/1960 Share Posted November 20, 2007 I am divorced. My wife left me for another man. I did everything I could think of to save my marriage. I even refused to sign divorce papers. My divorce still haunts me to this day. It is the "mark of shame" on my life. I HATE being that statistic! I am remarried. God has blessed me with a beautiful wife, who in turn provided me with four great kids. I love them with everything I have within me. Yet my divorce still haunts me. Hi Axxman, For our benefit and the benefit of the Church what things could the church have done to make your transition better? Obviously you had no choice there was no sin on your part, it was certainly a sad thing, but not a sinful thing for you. Why do you think you are haunted by something that was out of your control? The thing is God has blessed you with a wife and children, something that could not have happened without the divorce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherman Posted November 20, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 278 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/21/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/22/1962 Author Share Posted November 20, 2007 That does not take away from other verses reiterating the same judgments for divorce and remarriage. [ Agreed, the information about Herod and Herodias does not change anything, but it is one small element of the Cultural Context that will help us understand the Text of what Jesus said. Concerning the other part of your reply about Mt.19 and 1 Cor.7, that will take another post or 10 later. Thanks for your patience. This will likely be an extended conversation if we can all keep civil so that the moderators do not have to close it. Blessings, Sherman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kat8585 Posted November 20, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1,360 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 7,866 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 26 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/22/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/18/1946 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Let me ask this, are some of you stating that I should stay in an abusive mariage where the kiddos are in danger, he cheats, lies, looks at porno, does drugs and is also has a problem with drinking- . I would really like to hear the opinions and scriputre of how to save this dead marriage. zg So, is anyone going to answer this ? zg Hi, Scripture is clear that in your situation as outlined above you are free to divorce and re-marry. Beyond that you are making a smart and wise move to leave for the sake of your children. Hopefully someday he will change and be able to be a good father to his kids, but right now I think you are doing the right thing for your children. No!! She is not. Where in here does it mention that here husband cheated on her or that he is no longer alive? We have to stick to scripture so that we are abiding in the the doctrine of Christ. If he looks at porn, he has cheated in his heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kat8585 Posted November 20, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1,360 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 7,866 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 26 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/22/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/18/1946 Share Posted November 20, 2007 If I think about killing somebody does that make me a murderer and should be locked up? Even Jesus said if a man looks on a woman in lust, he has committed adultry. If a man looks at porn, it's not to balance his checkbook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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