Politics: Sexist?

[georgesbluegirl]

That has got to be the most ignorant thing I have ever read here.

Conservative:

1. Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
   
2. Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit.
   
3. Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate.
   
4. Of or relating to the political philosophy of conservatism.
   
5. Belonging to a conservative party, group, or movement.
   

Racist:

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
   
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
   

--Dictionary.com

What you wrote is anecdotal; I suggest you broaden your conservative acquaintanceship, because based on my anecdotal evidence, NO conservatives are racists.

I'm not saying Conservatives are racists. I'm saying racists that I have observed tend to be conservative. There is a difference.

On the most prominent White Nationalist/White Supremacist website, do they root for the Democrats, who have a female and a non-white running for the nomination for president? No.

Do they do fundraising for a Democratic or Republican candidate? Republican.

On their radio, do they advertise for liberal causes, equal rights, affirmative action, and universal healthcare? Heck no. They advertise for the Council of Conservative Citizens.

Nary a communist among them, the general consensus on their forum is short of having their own party, they would vote Republican or for the Conservative Party of Canada, not the Democrats or the Liberal party, or the NDP.

They resist change quite a bit. SO much in fact, that they are stuck in the 1950's.

I would mention that racism takes many forms, and there is certainly the issue of liberals acting in a racist way or perpetuating racial (/ethnic/gender etc.) stereotypes without realizing it (ever heard of the term "white liberal guilt?"). But that goes more toward the issue of biases inherent in our society. It's important to note that what Burning Ember is saying - and what I am saying by agreeing, based on my own observations - is NOT that Conservatives are racist. It is that, when racists - at least the most blatant, offensive kinds - choose a side of the (I mostly mean American) linear political spectrum, Republican or Democrat, with which to affiliate themselves, they go for the Conservatives. It makes sense. A hallmark of the Republican party is the idea that we should preserve (and I'm not saying I agree with how this term is used) "traditional values." To some people, that includes institutionalized notions of race, whether or not the Republican party actually literally stands for that.

Once again, I'm not saying the Democratic party is without its racists - it's just they're either not as loud or don't know it. When you come down to it, politics in general is still dominated by rich white men, on both sides. How many female Senators have we elected (until disturbingly recently - as in this decade - more women who'd served on the Senate had been appointed there, generally following the death of a husband or father)? How many black Senators have we elected?

[Marnie]

I'm not saying Conservatives are racists. I'm saying racists that I have observed tend to be conservative. There is a difference.

On the most prominent White Nationalist/White Supremacist website, do they root for the Democrats, who have a female and a non-white running for the nomination for president? No.

Do they do fundraising for a Democratic or Republican candidate? Republican.

On their radio, do they advertise for liberal causes, equal rights, affirmative action, and universal healthcare? Heck no. They advertise for the Council of Conservative Citizens.

Nary a communist among them, the general consensus on their forum is short of having their own party, they would vote Republican or for the Conservative Party of Canada, not the Democrats or the Liberal party, or the NDP.

They resist change quite a bit. SO much in fact, that they are stuck in the 1950's.

I know what you wrote, and I still say it's in ignorance. What you should say is that the racists you have encountered have conservative leaningings. A true conservative is not a racist; the essence of conservatism precludes racism or sexism in any form.

[Burning_Ember]

I know what you wrote, and I still say it's in ignorance. What you should say is that the racists you have encountered have conservative leaningings. A true conservative is not a racist; the essence of conservatism precludes racism or sexism in any form.

Lets quote your list here again.

Conservative:

1. Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
   
2. Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit.
   
3. Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate.
   
4. Of or relating to the political philosophy of conservatism.
   
5. Belonging to a conservative party, group, or movement.
   

Racist:

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
   
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
   

--Dictionary.com

At what point does the definition of Conservatism say "cannot be racist/sexist?" They are simply in some ways "more conservative" in that they are still fighting social change from the civil rights movement. Or from when slaves were emancipated, depending.

In any case, what you've said here is just a No True Scotsman Fallacy, and you are simply wrong.

[Guest]

Win/Lose, But But, Do We Love One Another?

Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

Philippians 2:3

[faith pleases God]

Are men and women the same? Why were the disciples all men? Why have all kings in Israel's history been men? What woman wrote a book of the Bible? Do men and women have different roles?

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[Arthur Durnan]

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Ok, I'm going to say it ......I DO have a problem with woman President. "There is a time and a place for everything," this is not the time nor the place

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[JustinM]

Oh please ember, are you suffering from white liberal guilt? The Hollywood liberals are the most racist people on the planet. They are sanctimonius elitists, that separate themselves from society, who only emerge from Mount Olympus to criticize the "little people" for not doing enough to end world hunger, save the environment, or for perpetuating poverty.

What do they know? Their reality is one of privilege and extravagance, yet they want to lecture us on conservation and sacrifice. What's more racist than believing that you aren't just better than 1 race, but the entire human race?

Now, to get back on track. If there were a viable conservative black/female running for President you can bet they'd have the support of Conservatives. Just because we don't want a San Fransisco Liberal/Socialist as President, does not make us conservatives racists, it simply means we do not want a San Francisco Liberal/Socialist as President of the U.S, race/gender is irrelevant, conservatives just do not want Obama or Clinton as President.

Condoleeza Rice had my vote for Presidency (If she had decided to run) up until the whole Israeli "peace" negotiations led by her. Now I believe that she no longer represents the values of Democracy and Freedom and is willing to sell out Israel/Jerusalem to a bunch of rampaging thugs for the illusion of peace.

[Burning_Ember]

Oh please ember, are you suffering from white liberal guilt? The Hollywood liberals are the most racist people on the planet. They are sanctimonius elitists, that separate themselves from society, who only emerge from Mount Olympus to criticize the "little people" for not doing enough to end world hunger, save the environment, or for perpetuating poverty.

What do they know? Their reality is one of privilege and extravagance, yet they want to lecture us on conservation and sacrifice. What's more racist than believing that you aren't just better than 1 race, but the entire human race?

How is wanting (and helping) Starvation and Poverty to end, which is straight out of Matthew 25:31-46 with the parable of the sheep and the goats not a good thing to do? That all of hollywood is a group of elitist snobs is nothing more than a strawman you set up so you could knock it down.

In reality, the Ku Klux Klan is not voting for Obama or Hillary. Niether is Aryan Nations or the "Christian Identity" movement. They want conservative, traditional values in place, they want to stop gay marriage (and if they could have their way, interracial marriage) and they want to stop illegal immigration. Someone steeped in Racism isn't going to vote for a party that has someone who they consider black. Those "Hollywood elitists" promoting equality and charity... Whether it be Oprah building a school in Africa, or Bill Gates donating Millions of dollars to AID's research, thats barely anything compared to the KKK lynching blacks and such.

[JustinM]

First off, no one compared Hollywood elitists with the KKK, you did that. If that's the best comparison you can come up with to highlight their achievements, they really are lacking in everything but narcism. Who's really setting up the strawman argument?

With KKK and Hollywood, you're comparing apples to apples. They both have the same ideology. Elitist purists. Do you really think Hollywood cares about "the little people?" All they care about is their ego. They feel guilty for the amount of wealth they have, so to expunge themselves of their guilt, they take pity on the "little people," much like you or I take pity on a stray dog, hungry and homeless.