Isa Posted December 12, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 280 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 23 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/15/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1965 Share Posted December 12, 2007 There are many beliefs out there of how and when the Lord will take His church away. IMOH the church is taken away before the tribulation even starts in the world. When does the tribulation start? I believe it starts before the beast is made known to the world, I believe the tribulation starts when the seven year peace treaty is signed between Israel and the Beast whom I believe is a political power. The bible talks of this person who comes in Daniel. Daniel 9:27 27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaceman Posted December 17, 2007 Group: Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 46 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/31/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted December 17, 2007 From what I've read in the Bible, I would agree that the covenant in Daniel 9:27 is the trigger that starts the final seven year tribulation. If the pre-trib view of things is correct, the covenant is the latest point in time that the rapture could occur (and it could potentially occur earlier). On the other hand, I've heard people explain from the Bible how they came to a mid-trib or post-trib conclusion and what the said was really plausible. But the best news is that Jesus will be calling for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tehilah Ba'Aretz Posted December 17, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 263 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/09/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/02/1954 Share Posted December 17, 2007 It's good to take a position. That way, you at least have a starting point. There is a possibility that none of us have this right though so grasp your position gently. Eventually all will be revealed. Until then, be ready to go, stay or just to be obedient to whatever the Lord asks. Don't hesitate to have an opinion and to develop your theology. Just try to remember to love me if I happen to disagree at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Biblicist Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Folks, I have decided not to be part of this conversation. Hash it out for yourselves. You have a Bible just like I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted December 18, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 280 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 23 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/15/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1965 Author Share Posted December 18, 2007 Hi Guys, It is easy to post scripture without saying a word about it, and to say let it explain it's self. Acts 8:29-31 29 Then the Spirit said to Philip, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted December 19, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 280 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 23 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/15/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1965 Author Share Posted December 19, 2007 Hi Guys, It is easy to post scripture without saying a word about it, and to say let it explain it's self. Acts 8:29-31 29 Then the Spirit said to Philip, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted December 19, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 280 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 23 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/15/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1965 Author Share Posted December 19, 2007 (edited) Once again I explained what the text is saying and you explain why it does really mean what it says. Like I said you need an open heart and open mind to see the truth,you do not want to accept what the scripture is saying therefore you will not. You have decided what you are going to believe and the words of God himself could not change your mind. I believe what God has said and many scriptures He has shown all believers that there is a catching away of the saints and those very saints returning with Him at the end of the tribulation, which are in actual fact the armies of the Lord made up of the bride and the tribulation saints plus His angels but you deny this. Revelation 19:1-16 1 After these things I heard a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying, Edited December 19, 2007 by Isa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted December 20, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 280 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 23 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/15/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1965 Author Share Posted December 20, 2007 (edited) Seeing is believing I have seen what God has said and I believe it. God is not a man that He should lie. Then why do you no believe him when he says that he will rapture us at his post trib 2nd coming and not one moment b4 it. I have great reason not to believe this and that is because it is man's teachings not God's and I prefer to follow my Lord for I hear His voice and His voice alone. God Bless Edited December 20, 2007 by Isa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted December 20, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 280 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 23 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/15/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1965 Author Share Posted December 20, 2007 Seeing is believing I have seen what God has said and I believe it. God is not a man that He should lie. Then why do you not believe him when he says that he will rapture us at his post trib 2nd coming and not one moment b4 it. I have great reason not to believe this and that is because it is man's teachings not God's and I prefer to follow my Lord for I hear His voice and His voice alone. God Bless So you are post trib? Glad we finally got that cleared up,I thought you were a lost case Hi onwingsofeagles, No I am not a lost case the Lord found me 11 years ago. I am not following man's belief of post trib I am following what the Lord has taught His children about the catching away b4 the tribulation starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kari21 Posted December 20, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 140 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,846 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/04/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/05/1987 Share Posted December 20, 2007 The pretrib doctrine was created by satan and promoted by people like yourself Isa is working hand in hand with Satan now? You sure are good at tossing fellow Christians into the devil's arms, aren't ya? Well heck, just so Isa won't be too lonely there in the devil's bosom, since I believe in the rapture as well, you may as well throw me over there with him..... .....never mind, I'll walk. I don't want you to dirty your holy hands by touching a filthy Satan enabler like me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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