Tehilah Ba'Aretz Posted January 5, 2008 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 263 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/09/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/02/1954 Share Posted January 5, 2008 I do not agree with Moreys reformist statements, few I do but not all. Morey is not a reformist! He is incredibly accurate and unflinching in his analysis. He refuses to accept the distortions and outright lies of modern Arabic scholarship. It isn't easy to dig up the real truth in the modern Moslem world. Calling this man a reformist is very close to endorsing deception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric Posted January 5, 2008 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 2 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,073 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/02/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/10/1923 Share Posted January 5, 2008 I do not agree with Moreys reformist statements, few I do but not all. Morey is not a reformist! He is incredibly accurate and unflinching in his analysis. He refuses to accept the distortions and outright lies of modern Arabic scholarship. It isn't easy to dig up the real truth in the modern Moslem world. Calling this man a reformist is very close to endorsing deception. Well I don't want to rain on anyone's parade here, but deception is the name of the game if the link below has any truth in it. LINK HERE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tah Posted January 5, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 105 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,131 Content Per Day: 0.45 Reputation: 126 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/12/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted January 5, 2008 Yikes!!! Read the link... And I have always thought that Islam came from Ishmael's descendants..... I have read this thread to see what you all had to say on the subject... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeatherEljohari Posted January 5, 2008 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 158 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/23/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/20/1984 Share Posted January 5, 2008 in psalm 83 I believe it discusses Islam. In about 645bc from what I remembered in history (biblical) they had not 'left' God but added other Gods which perverted the original belief in God. To me that is the same of leaving God. I do not agree with Moreys reformist statements, few I do but not all. The descendants of Ishmail I believe is the reason we remain to have trouble in the middle east. I do believe it started with hagar and sarai and it is a perfect story of what happens when one takes matters into their own hands instead of letting Jesus do things in His perfect timing. Sorry guys. I dont believe the line has ended. It was prophesized in bible he would make many nations. So- if the bible states this why do we suggest its not true or has ended now? Heatherxoxoxo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tehilah Ba'Aretz Posted January 5, 2008 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 263 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/09/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/02/1954 Share Posted January 5, 2008 (edited) Prasch? Now theres a credible source to debunk the masters for you. No thanks, I'll stick with the guys who live here, read the Bible and believe it. Edited January 5, 2008 by Tehilah Ba'Aretz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 Jacob Prasch is the same guy who denigrates ministries in Israel that are feeding and clothing the poor. He has made patently false allegations some time back against ministries like Bridges for Peace and others who are serving the Lord in Israel. His allegations have since been debunked. The article presented by Morey needs to be engaged on the facts, not on whether you like Morey, or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 in psalm 83 I believe it discusses Islam. In about 645bc from what I remembered in history (biblical) they had not 'left' God but added other Gods which perverted the original belief in God. To me that is the same of leaving God. I do not agree with Moreys reformist statements, few I do but not all. The descendants of Ishmail I believe is the reason we remain to have trouble in the middle east. I do believe it started with hagar and sarai and it is a perfect story of what happens when one takes matters into their own hands instead of letting Jesus do things in His perfect timing. Sorry guys. I dont believe the line has ended. It was prophesized in bible he would make many nations. So- if the bible states this why do we suggest its not true or has ended now? Heatherxoxoxo The Bible does not say that these nations would exist forever. The fact is there were twelve kingdoms of Ishmaeites and not one of them is in existance today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tah Posted January 5, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 105 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,131 Content Per Day: 0.45 Reputation: 126 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/12/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted January 5, 2008 Thats an interesting point you made.. If I understand correctly when the temple was destroyed the genealogical records were destroyed with it and now the only remaining "Line" is "In Jesus"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 Thats an interesting point you made.. If I understand correctly when the temple was destroyed the genealogical records were destroyed with it and now the only remaining "Line" is "In Jesus"... actually the Kohenim, the priests are fully aware of their lineage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric Posted January 5, 2008 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 2 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,073 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/02/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/10/1923 Share Posted January 5, 2008 The article, about Robert Morley that I gave the link from wasn't written, by Prasch. Just because it was on the Moriel website doesn't mean it was written by J. Prasch. It was really used by me to show that Robert Morey had a forged Doctor of Divinity document. and that labels him as a fraud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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