Guest theroadtofreedom Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 yes it is to serve god and all his glory. the guestion would be do we allow those around us who we come in contactwith. To eat of the fruit of this tree trhat god has pruned and done such work. Or do we hid this between us and god, us and the church, us and our chat line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillson Posted April 16, 2004 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 156 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/02/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/18/1978 Share Posted April 16, 2004 my point is that we are here for glory God. on the other hand, according to the bible Genesis 1:28 "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. " We are here to control the world God has made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehut Posted April 17, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,216 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/16/1962 Share Posted April 17, 2004 1 - of course it is about your own needs! 2 - Are you saying people are born already damned? 3 - How can you help others to be saved if your not saved first? Hmmm? 1 - Salvation is not supposed to be an end unto itself. It's supposed to motivate us to share with others. 2 - Actually, that has been a very common belief for many centuries now; introduced by St. Augustine in 5th century. It's called Original Sin. But no, that is not what I believe. But if you're old enough to make a mature decision to follow Christ, then you're old enough to have already sinned by then. 3 - You're not. But if you want to help others, the blind can;t lead the blind. The first step to helping others get saved, is to get saved yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senerhu Posted April 17, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 120 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,661 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/23/2004 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 17, 2004 1 - Salvation is not supposed to be an end unto itself. It's supposed to motivate us to share with others. I never said it was supposed to be an end unto itself....but it is the most important thing in your life because: 3 - You're not. But if you want to help others, the blind can;t lead the blind. The first step to helping others get saved, is to get saved yourself. Bingo....Welcome aboard! That is what I said at the very beginnig, remember? 2 - Actually, that has been a very common belief for many centuries now; introduced by St. Augustine in 5th century. It's called Original Sin. But no, that is not what I believe. But if you're old enough to make a mature decision to follow Christ, then you're old enough to have already sinned by then. Actually, that is kinda taken out of context to what I was referring to, but oh well, lets move on.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Posted April 18, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 115 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 8,281 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/03/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/30/1955 Share Posted April 18, 2004 Jesus Christ Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner. Since I was 16 I have known my calling was to educate clergy. With a blessing, Leonard, a sinner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His son Posted April 18, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 764 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/01/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted April 18, 2004 This is what Jesus prayed that we would do. John 17:1-26 1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. 6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. 7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. 8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. 9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. 10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and IAM GLORIFIED in them. 11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. 13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 AS THOU HAST SENT ME into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and THAT THE WORLD MAY KNOW that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. 24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. 26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them. (KJV) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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