chimoku Posted March 8, 2008 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 270 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/31/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted March 8, 2008 - I just read on the news that Presdient Bush has vetoed the ANTI - TORTURE Bill. This troubles me greatly. It is absolutely wrong to institutionalize torture. It is simply inhumane to treat human beings in this way . - 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kat8585 Posted March 8, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1,360 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 7,866 Content Per Day: 1.24 Reputation: 26 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/22/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/18/1946 Share Posted March 8, 2008 Well, if it is used on terrorists and will save us from future attacks, I'm all for it. BTW, waterboarding isn't torture. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Hamburgers! Posted March 8, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,144 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 163 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/02/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1985 Share Posted March 8, 2008 ah, the slippery slope that is torture. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted March 9, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.10 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted March 9, 2008 Well, if it is used on terrorists and will save us from future attacks, I'm all for it. BTW, waterboarding isn't torture. I agree that using waterboarding on terrorists is something that doesn't concern me much but....we can't start down that road. When government gets too much power it's a dangerous thing and I want my government to be accountable to us, the people; to be better than the awful governments in terrorist countries. The only way to accomplish that is to hold ourselves above anything that can be construed as torture. I'd hate to be the President because this would be a hard decision either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Dannyboy Posted March 9, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 156 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,454 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/22/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/02/1969 Share Posted March 9, 2008 I understand that the President doesn't make or write laws but when they have the final say in whether it becomes law it gives them a lot of responsibility. I think Bush has done right by the people by preventing so many "comprehensive" bills from becomming law once they get passed the respective branches. Just look how many different ways and how many times they tried to sneak/push amnesty through. If it weren't for Bush many of these would have made it through. The same thing goes with this piece of trash legislation they're trying to push through. Bills like these only serve to tie the hands of our intelligence agencies when their performance is already suffering to the extent that their effictiveness has become questionable. As long as the techniques being used do not cause physical pain I do not believe they need to be restricted or outlawed. Our enemies will not give us the same luxury or treatment and so it gives THEM the advantage. No doubt the people that signed this bill are also the ones that wish to ban the sales despite constitutional protection. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LadyC Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 this doesn't trouble me one little bit. TORTURE is already prohibited. if the bill is reflective of the current hype that we hear in the media every day, the bill was probably did nothing more than apply the word "torture" to methods which have proven effective but are NOT actually torture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwing Posted March 9, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 400 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 1,903 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 15 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/20/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/19/1942 Share Posted March 9, 2008 chemical interrogation is more reliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LadyC Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 isn't it already used? i tend to agree though redwing, it is more reliable, and should be used a lot more, if not exclusively. not only is it more reliable, it would be quicker and more cost effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwing Posted March 9, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 400 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 1,903 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 15 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/20/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/19/1942 Share Posted March 9, 2008 isn't it already used? i tend to agree though redwing, it is more reliable, and should be used a lot more, if not exclusively. not only is it more reliable, it would be quicker and more cost effective. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kat8585 Posted March 9, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1,360 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 7,866 Content Per Day: 1.24 Reputation: 26 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/22/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/18/1946 Share Posted March 9, 2008 this doesn't trouble me one little bit. TORTURE is already prohibited. if the bill is reflective of the current hype that we hear in the media every day, the bill was probably did nothing more than apply the word "torture" to methods which have proven effective but are NOT actually torture. Exactly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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