murray007 Posted May 7, 2008 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 9 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/08/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/07/1980 Share Posted May 7, 2008 i recieved this in an email today. Living in Australia with kids going to a christian school, I must confess a fair amount of ignorance to the issue of praying in public schools. I would be interested to hear from people who have witnessed the effect of this. thank you WRITTEN BY A 15 yr. Old SCHOOL KID IN ARIZONA : New Pledge of Allegiance (TOTALLY AWESOME) ! Since the Pledge of Allegiance And The Lord's Prayer Are not allowed in most Public schools anymore Because the word 'God' is mentioned.... A kid in Arizona wrote the attached NEW School prayer : Now I sit me down in school Where praying is against the rule For this great nation under God Finds mention of Him very odd. If Scripture now the class recites, It violates the Bill of Rights. And anytime my head I bow Becomes a Federal matter now. Our hair can be purple, orange or green, That's no offense; it's a freedom scene. The law is specific, the law is precise. Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice. For praying in a public hall Might offend someone with no faith at all. In silence alone we must meditate, God's name is prohibited by the state. We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks, And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks.. They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible. To quote the Good Book makes me liable. We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen, And the 'unwed daddy,' our Senior King. It's 'inappropriate' to teach right from wrong, We're taught that such 'judgments' do not belong. We can get our condoms and birth controls, Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles. But the Ten Commandments are not allowed, No word of God must reach this crowd. It's scary here I must confess, When chaos reigns the school's a mess. So, Lord, this silent plea I make: Should I be shot; My soul please take! Amen If you aren't ashamed to do this, Please pass this on. Jesus said, 'If you are ashamed of me, I will be ashamed of you before my Father.' Not ashamed. Pass thi s on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizzdy Posted May 7, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 173 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,911 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 10 Joined: 03/21/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted May 7, 2008 It is wonderful to know that there are still some kids that want to voice publically and loudly their faith. I haven't worked in the public schools for some time. My granddaughter did tell me that she doesn't say prayers at lunch and when asked why she just said no one else does it so she doesn't. I have never been told that she couldn't but I wonder. I was part of a private school that was trying for accreditation from the federal government and the changes they tried to make made me very wary of them. Mulitculturalism, sounds great but what it was in disguise was actually changing the mind set of the kids to think in terms of globalism. I did have a few kids who were from religious backgrounds but I never did have any issues with prayer or the like until it came to Dec. American is striving it seems to take God out of everything. In Alamba they had to take the 10 commandments down, they were sued to get that one done. And now at the same court house there is a picture of Jesus and some are upset that it stands alone all by itself in separate place than the pics of George Washington, etc. So they had to move it to where the other pics were, I was surprised that they didn't make them take it down altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murray007 Posted May 7, 2008 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 9 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/08/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/07/1980 Author Share Posted May 7, 2008 American is striving it seems to take God out of everything. In Alamba they had to take the 10 commandments down, they were sued to get that one done. And now at the same court house there is a picture of Jesus and some are upset that it stands alone all by itself in separate place than the pics of George Washington, etc. So they had to move it to where the other pics were, I was surprised that they didn't make them take it down altogether. that seems so crazy. Does some of your money still have 'In God we Trust'? to me, that seems to be a big irony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua-777 Posted May 11, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 410 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 3,102 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 522 Days Won: 6 Joined: 10/19/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/07/1984 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Wow, that was an awesome poem. It's sad to see so many schools fall in discrimination. More and More the name Jesus, unless it's used in cursing, is an offense. Satan is the prince of this world, he's setting up an empire to reject God, but soon that empire will fall. There was a school in California, that the teacher was teaching the students Muslim prayers, and showing them how to be a Muslim. I remember hearing that on the news a while ago, now it just keeps getting worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumpiestbread Posted May 19, 2008 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 4 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/11/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/04/1985 Share Posted May 19, 2008 You can still pray in schools. You can say a prayer before a test, you can have a student prayer group (or Christian group) which meets after school... you HAVE the freedom to exercise your religion in public schools. You can talk about your God in the hallways, as long as it is done peacefully. I don't see what the problem is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
healingoil Posted May 27, 2008 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 164 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 27, 2008 I can see no problem either. Like bumpiestbread said, our schools allow freedom of religion. It's perfectly legal for people to pray as long as they don't infringe on other's rights. The PSS now has what they've decided to call a "Day of Silence" to teach our kids to lovingly accept the lifestyle of those who are homosexual... yet when a male student decided to then "voice his individuality" by way of a t-shirt that said 'Straight pride' on that day, the school sent him home. "Every day your child is in public school, their mind is molded more to conform to the group, and they are trained to defend their new "family". There is no such thing as individuality in public schools; everyone is part of the 'herd'. Most teachers would tell you that they strive to help kids to be independent thinkers, but eventually, with their conformation complete on students, individuality gives way into what is called the "community" or group experience. A process called "critical thinking" accomplishes this. In every lesson, and in every subject, we had "critical thinking" questions in public school. According to Mrs. Berit Kjos' Brave New Schools: "At the core of psychological strategies such as critical thinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharonvinchrist Posted May 27, 2008 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 57 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/13/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/11/1963 Share Posted May 27, 2008 I can see no problem either. Like bumpiestbread said, our schools allow freedom of religion. It's perfectly legal for people to pray as long as they don't infringe on other's rights. The PSS now has what they've decided to call a "Day of Silence" to teach our kids to lovingly accept the lifestyle of those who are homosexual... yet when a male student decided to then "voice his individuality" by way of a t-shirt that said 'Straight pride' on that day, the school sent him home. "Every day your child is in public school, their mind is molded more to conform to the group, and they are trained to defend their new "family". There is no such thing as individuality in public schools; everyone is part of the 'herd'. Most teachers would tell you that they strive to help kids to be independent thinkers, but eventually, with their conformation complete on students, individuality gives way into what is called the "community" or group experience. A process called "critical thinking" accomplishes this. In every lesson, and in every subject, we had "critical thinking" questions in public school. According to Mrs. Berit Kjos' Brave New Schools: "At the core of psychological strategies such as critical thinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead Posted May 27, 2008 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 871 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 17 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/28/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 27, 2008 i recieved this in an email today. Living in Australia with kids going to a christian school, I must confess a fair amount of ignorance to the issue of praying in public schools. I would be interested to hear from people who have witnessed the effect of this. thank you WRITTEN BY A 15 yr. Old SCHOOL KID IN ARIZONA : New Pledge of Allegiance (TOTALLY AWESOME) ! Since the Pledge of Allegiance And The Lord's Prayer Are not allowed in most Public schools anymore Because the word 'God' is mentioned.... A kid in Arizona wrote the attached NEW School prayer : Now I sit me down in school Where praying is against the rule For this great nation under God Finds mention of Him very odd. If Scripture now the class recites, It violates the Bill of Rights. And anytime my head I bow Becomes a Federal matter now. Our hair can be purple, orange or green, That's no offense; it's a freedom scene. The law is specific, the law is precise. Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice. For praying in a public hall Might offend someone with no faith at all. In silence alone we must meditate, God's name is prohibited by the state. We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks, And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks.. They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible. To quote the Good Book makes me liable. We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen, And the 'unwed daddy,' our Senior King. It's 'inappropriate' to teach right from wrong, We're taught that such 'judgments' do not belong. We can get our condoms and birth controls, Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles. But the Ten Commandments are not allowed, No word of God must reach this crowd. It's scary here I must confess, When chaos reigns the school's a mess. So, Lord, this silent plea I make: Should I be shot; My soul please take! Amen If you aren't ashamed to do this, Please pass this on. Jesus said, 'If you are ashamed of me, I will be ashamed of you before my Father.' Not ashamed. Pass thi s on. Very nice, thank you for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Hamburgers! Posted May 27, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,144 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 163 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/02/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1985 Share Posted May 27, 2008 School prayer is still allowed, in that you can pray privately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizzdy Posted May 27, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 173 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,911 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 10 Joined: 03/21/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted May 27, 2008 Healingoil, Thanks for sharing all that it is exactly what I as a parent then again as a teacher saw coming and was told if I wanted to keep my job I had to go along with and that wasnt just in CA but here in NV as well. Muliticulturalism leading into globalization of our childrens minds. I was part of that 'new' teacher facilitator thing andeven for a time thought critical thinking in the schools was a grand idea! Until I saw what it was all about. I am very lucky that my kids didn't fall for all that. My granddaughter was told it was ok not to be able to spell words or even read them correctly. She is never lead to do much better than she is doing and that isnt very well. The UN is behind our educational system, they just love the mother earth/ghia stuff. It was a focus of the Rio converence some years ago. I know that it goes much farther into a mother worshiping scenario and imo this also goes along with all the mary visions and appearances. I tell my grandkids all the time they are not just part of the world but they are their own person and they do not have to go along with all that nonsense yet there is so much pressure on them and they are only in kindergarten and first grade! One world governemnt seems so far fetched but look at all the signs just pointing us ever so much closer to that final goal. Again thanks for sharing that and I just might have to go and buy that book! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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