MorningGlory Posted May 14, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.10 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted May 14, 2008 Well only about 1 in 100 Muslims are currently terrorist. ( source) This was a pretty balanced report in my mind. Do you really think that 90+ % of Muslims are incorrectly following their faith? Personally I'd rather believe they are more correct on the understanding of their religion than we are about theirs from a less knowledgeable position. As for Jihad, it's actually supposed to be predominantly a spiritual battle within oneself. Minor Jihad has several forms, and yes one of them is Jihad of the sword. Yet it is not that Muslims should actively go out and conquer, it is more a defensive measure. Hamburgers, you didn't read all the way through your source, apparently. You're still not getting it, my friend; there's no such thing as a tolerant, peace-loving muslim! If they practice their 'religion' they are terrorists in waiting. Read below from your cited article: Before you get a warm and cozy feeling, thinking that only 60% of Muslims are sufficiently indoctrinated in fundamentalist Islam to be a terrorist should the opportunity arrise, and that only 25% of those Muslims are the appropriate age and sex to actually engage in jihad, let's consider some recent historical events. In 1917, less than 3% of Russians were Communists. Yet since that 3% was sufficiently corrupted by an immoral and ruthless religion (Socialist Secular Humanism), they quickly came to oppress the entire nation - murdering 30 million Russians in the process. In 1924, less than 3% of Germans were Nazis. And yet since that 3% was sufficiently corrupted by Hitler's "People's Religion" as it was immorally and ruthlessly laid out in Mein Kampf, that 3% came to oppress the entire nation and led the world into a war that killed 50 million people. Also keep in mind that while only 15% of Muslims are potential jihadists today, that percentage is growing rapidly. Thanks to OPEC funding and clerical indoctrination, the Islamic world is becoming increasingly fundamentalist. In twenty years most Muslims could be terrorists - and probably will be. There is another factor in play that we must not ignore. When America invaded Iraq my analysis was validated. With accessible Infidel targets, the gap between potential jihadists and actual jihadists narrowed substantially. Acts of terrorism increased over one million percent - from one every several months to hundreds per day. Given the opportunity to tangibly demonstrate their religion, an unparalleled number of Muslims became terrorists. Therefore, should there be another miscue like Iraq, or should the war on terror be expanded, rather than dealing with 1.8 million Islamic jihadists, the world will have to confront a hundred million of them, or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Hamburgers! Posted May 14, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,144 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 163 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/02/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1985 Share Posted May 14, 2008 No I read that, which is why I felt like it was a balanced source There is potential for almost any group to become oppressive and violent. That is true for Muslims just as it is true for Christians, or as history shows groups like the Nazi party. One thing to take in mind however is while maybe only 3% of Germany was a member of the Nazi party, there was a much larger amount of the population that shared similar sentiments. It was a group effort in some sense. We can't go around judging entire groups of people based on the possibility that one day when the circumstances are fit for it a large group of them might rise up. To do so would make us overly paranoid, because we have to literally consider almost any group a threat. The only thing we really can do is to be aware of the possibility that may develop in the future. We can't persecute people for what they might do, but we should remain ready to confront situations should the arise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisb Posted May 14, 2008 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 130 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/18/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/25/1976 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Your head is firmly in the sand. The Muslims have made it their goal to take over the world and kill everyone that won't convert since Islam's inception. They have not forgotten this. Maybe this would be a good resource for you to check out. http://www.amazon.com/Al-Qaeda-Reader-Raym...8136&sr=8-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Hamburgers! Posted May 14, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,144 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 163 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/02/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1985 Share Posted May 14, 2008 (edited) Your head is firmly in the sand. The Muslims have made it their goal to take over the world and kill everyone that won't convert since Islam's inception. They have not forgotten this. Maybe this would be a good resource for you to check out. http://www.amazon.com/Al-Qaeda-Reader-Raym...8136&sr=8-1 I sincerely hope you are not implying I'm a terrorist with a link like that. There are anywhere between 1.3-1.8 billion Muslims in the world today. If you think that despite their various cultures, countries, languages, political views etc they can be grouped together as one, there isn't a lot of common ground we are going to have on this issue. I mean, just think about how much of the Muslim violence in the world is directed at other Muslims ! Did they miss the "prime directive" memo? Somehow I don't think that world domination is the first thing on all of these people's minds It's been said before, but to assume all Muslims are the same would be like assuming all Christians are the same. Edited May 14, 2008 by Oh Hamburgers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick-Parker Posted May 14, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 200 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 4,271 Content Per Day: 4.93 Reputation: 1,855 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/17/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/03/1955 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Yes, we all know Islam is the religion of peace. That's not at all what I'm saying. Basically I'm saying that Islam is a non-issue in this story. It's a story about a jerk taunting a teacher's dog, but the creator of the story wanted to make it out to be a religious issue. Wrong. This is a religious issue. A muslim threatened to kill the dog. Not a black, white, orange, yellow, brown or rainbow person. A muslim who's religion will not even tolerate a dog in their mist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Hamburgers! Posted May 14, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,144 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 163 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/02/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1985 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Yes, we all know Islam is the religion of peace. That's not at all what I'm saying. Basically I'm saying that Islam is a non-issue in this story. It's a story about a jerk taunting a teacher's dog, but the creator of the story wanted to make it out to be a religious issue. Wrong. This is a religious issue. A muslim threatened to kill the dog. Not a black, white, orange, yellow, brown or rainbow person. A muslim who's religion will not even tolerate a dog in their mist. It was a Muslim who threatened to kill a dog, yes it was. But that does not make it a religious issue! Is it a Christian issue every time a crime is committed by a Christian? Think about it, America is 80% Christian (self professed). That means that ~8/10 crimes in the country are committed by people who claim to be Christian. I'll even go down to 6/10. Are all these issues Christian issues? Absolutely not, yet it's absurd how each crime committed by a Muslim seems to rally up a mob. Maybe if every news report made sure to explicitly state the religion of the perpetrator we would realize how we have misrepresented these situations. Also don't forget that in the article other Muslim children covered their hands with paper and pet the dog. It's not like there was a Muslim revolt to kick this teacher out based on religious reasons. Cobalt If you figure the amount of Muslims in the world at 1.2 billion, 1 in every 100 Muslims that are miitant still adds up to 1.2 million people. That is not a small number, and they, as can be seen any day in the Middle East and other places, can reek a great deal of havoc that is far out of proportion to their actual numbers. So what do you propose we do to deal with the situation? Do we actively persecute and discriminate against all Muslims, knowing full well that 99% of it is unjust? What do you think would be a fair solution to the issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisb Posted May 14, 2008 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 130 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/18/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/25/1976 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Your head is firmly in the sand. The Muslims have made it their goal to take over the world and kill everyone that won't convert since Islam's inception. They have not forgotten this. Maybe this would be a good resource for you to check out. http://www.amazon.com/Al-Qaeda-Reader-Raym...8136&sr=8-1 I sincerely hope you are not implying I'm a terrorist with a link like that. There are anywhere between 1.3-1.8 billion Muslims in the world today. If you think that despite their various cultures, countries, languages, political views etc they can be grouped together as one, there isn't a lot of common ground we are going to have on this issue. I mean, just think about how much of the Muslim violence in the world is directed at other Muslims ! Did they miss the "prime directive" memo? Somehow I don't think that world domination is the first thing on all of these people's minds It's been said before, but to assume all Muslims are the same would be like assuming all Christians are the same. Yeah I think you are a terrorist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick-Parker Posted May 14, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 200 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 4,271 Content Per Day: 4.93 Reputation: 1,855 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/17/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/03/1955 Share Posted May 14, 2008 The events that are happening and the overcoming of the world by Islam is predicted in Scripture. Islam is the tool of Satan and if people can't see it, or deny it, they are indeed blinded from the Truth. From a Biblical perspective, it is incredible that some "Christians" feel the need to defend the #1 tool of Satan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick-Parker Posted May 14, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 200 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 4,271 Content Per Day: 4.93 Reputation: 1,855 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/17/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/03/1955 Share Posted May 14, 2008 It was a Muslim who threatened to kill a dog, yes it was. But that does not make it a religious issuePretty shallow line of thinking. That person was taught, by either his parents or imam that the dog was not allowed to be in the child's vicinity and that it is ok to threaten the owner of the dog by threatening to kill the dog. My parents or pastor never told me it was ok to kill something because I thought it was "unclean." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odditblue Posted May 14, 2008 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 220 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/15/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/28/1966 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Disguise the dog as a sheep.... Wait.... We could solve everything if we could just send PETA over there to deal with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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