Daniel

[Guest]

These 70 weeks are periods of time, the last week having the abomination of desolation, no mathematics can calculate these 70 weeks, just as 70 weeks of babylonian captivity was 48 yrs and the earth was not made in 7 literal days.

[roselady]

The word went out to rebuild the temple with CHRISTS ministry. the only thing is it was the new temple of the body HOLY and acceptable to GOD that he built. that was 3.5 lunar years or the first half of the week. the second half of the week comes with the Lords two witnesses who will Bring back the temple of the body in the end. Again their ministry is 3.5 lunar years.

Jesus name above all names

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[Kenna Frye]

Daniel 9:24-27

Explains many different times, can we in this post expound on these teachings to get a clear understanding.

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon your people, and upon your holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision, and prophesy, and to anoint the most holy.

Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, from the going forth of the commandment to restore, and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince, (shall be) seven weeks, and threescore(six), and two weeks, the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore(six), and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for Himself, and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city, and the sanctuary, and the end thereof (shall be) with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week, and in the midst of the weeks he shall cause the sacrifice, and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

This prophecy has absolutely nothing to do with end times. It only deals with the gospels going to the Gentiles. Thats it.

[arvy]

Daniel 9:24-27

Explains many different times, can we in this post expound on these teachings to get a clear understanding.

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon your people, and upon your holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision, and prophesy, and to anoint the most holy.

Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, from the going forth of the commandment to restore, and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince, (shall be) seven weeks, and threescore(six), and two weeks, the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore(six), and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for Himself, and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city, and the sanctuary, and the end thereof (shall be) with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week, and in the midst of the weeks he shall cause the sacrifice, and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon your people, and upon your holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision, and prophesy, and to anoint the most holy.

arvy: This prophecy, given through only Daniel, is the one most importat of prophecies. Why? Because without this prophecy any one person might have laid claim to having been "Messiah" or "the Son of God" even under all the other seeming significant details with regard to certain events that were to transpire leading up to "Messiah's" Fisrt advent into history. Without Daniel's description giving information with regard to the time of "Messiah's First appearing, No proper time for His reality in history could possibly have been confirmed. The "Revelation," through Daniel was intended for affirmation to all Israel and the Nations of history of the "right time" measured from a ffortold event for the start of the time to a foretold event to close the Time. The whole of that time was a predetermined period of "seventy weeks" of years.

Interesting that although the Jewish people do understand this statement for the time relative to Messiah's advent. Yet they do not accept that Jesus was the Christ ("Messiah"). They, to this date, still live in the expectation of "Messiah's" First Coming,-- "In The Flesh."! They have chosen to refuse that "Messiah" has come in the flesh and was "Cut off" (Isa. 53:8-12; Dan.9:26,) for both the Jewish nation and all the nations of the world, becoming the sacrifice of all sacrifices, "causing all the ritual sacrifices and offerings to cease (Dan.9:27) which had been "imposed upon them until the time of reformation" was come (Heb.9:8-10). Such continuation, or "overspreading" of those rituals after "Messiah should be "cut off" would thereafter be looked upon by God as an "Abomination" in His eyes, with their collective national punishment pre-determined to follow thereafter (Dan. 9:27).

I believe that God would have me understand that the time (70 weeks of years, 70x7, or 490 years) He predetermined should transpire in a firm logical unbroken sequence from the point of commencement through to close of the of the 490 literal years. "Messiah" would therefore have been crucified ("cut off, but not for Himself," Dan.9:26) in the mid-part ("Midst") of the last 7 years. For whom was Jesus "Cut off" if not for Himself? I believe He was "cut off" (i.e., Crucified) for the Jewish nation, the Nations of this world, and for me, and for you, and all who are now reading this post.

Now if there was no predetermined unbroken sequence by which the time set might be calculated then the prohecy is open to any "wind" of interpretation and process for computation. Too many theologians both Catholic and Protestant have already split the prophetic sequence described by Daniel into two segments. 69X7 to end at the crucifixion of "Messiah." The calculation, or time clock, was then come to a stop at the event of Christ's being 'Cut off." But to begin ticking off the last 7 years toward the beginning count for the thousand years of the book of Revelation. Most begin their count for the 69 weeks from twentieth year of King Artexerxes, 445/444 BC. 483 years less 444/445 years leaves a period of 38/39 years into Anno Dominum. Thats interesting considering Saul was standing by to watch Stepen being Stone for his steadfast belief in the Risen Messiah in about 34/35 AD! History with the Bible will afirm that Jesus was "Cut Off" after His baptism in the Jordan by John the Baptist, 26/27AD at about 31/2 years. If we add those 31/2 years to, say, 27AD we will find Jesus was crucified about the year 30/31. So by These theologians perception of the time distorted, the 483 years are not in agreement with either history or the Bible and the last 7 years are broken off from the described, consistant sequence, to conform to the doctrine of a restoration of Israel as a nation, at the last 7 years just before the count of the thousand years of Revelationis.

However. If we count from the 7th year of Artexerxes the king of Persia (457/458 BC, Ezra 7 - the letter is cited there) for Daniel's description for a letter of decree instructing the freedom of Israel to begin their prophesied restoration, we will find that the 483 years will bring us to Jesus beginning of HIs Messianic Ministry at His Baptism in the Jordan by John the Baptist at about "30 years of age"(Lk.3:23), or at about 26/27AD. ad 31/2 years to "the Midst of the last week" of years and we are brought to The date of Jesus being "cut Off" and causing "the sacrifice and oblation" of the "shadow" types "to cease" by His own submission to the death on the cross, about 30/31 AD. Add another 31/2 years beyond Jesus' ascension and we are brought to about AD 34 with Saul standing by as Stephen is stoned to death for testifying, among the Jewish nation, to the reality of the resurrected/ascended Messiah of the "Prophets."

From the Book of Acts we begin to learn of the History of the rise of Christianity from this very point. The Gospel from here forward in History is no longer "to the Jew FIRST and THEN the Gentiles; but to ALL who will hear, heed and trust in Jesus as "the Messiah" of promise come to the world "in the Flesh."

If Jesus did not present Himself, born of a miracle birth, inthe flesh, in the province of Juda, in the city of Bethlehem, become baptised by His cousin and "forerunner," John the Baptist, to begin his Messianic ministry at "about the age of thirty years" at the close of the 69th week of years, and was not "cut off as our supreme "sacrifice and Oblation" for all Israel, Me, and You in the Midst of the last week __ then perhaps we, as Israel, the national religionists, should look for the coming of another Messiah! God forbids! What an "abomidable thought to His Mind!" Isa.66:1-4.

What do you think?

[Guest The Ancient Words]

This prophecy, given through only Daniel, is the one most importat of prophecies. Why? Because without this prophecy any one person might have laid claim to having been "Messiah" or "the Son of God" even under all the other seeming significant details with regard to certain events that were to transpire leading up to "Messiah's" Fisrt advent into history. Without Daniel's description giving information with regard to the time of "Messiah's First appearing, No proper time for His reality in history could possibly have been confirmed. The "Revelation," through Daniel was intended for affirmation to all Israel and the Nations of history of the "right time" measured from a ffortold event for the start of the time to a foretold event to close the Time. The whole of that time was a predetermined period of "seventy weeks" of years.

Interesting that although the Jewish people do understand this statement for the time relative to Messiah's advent. Yet they do not accept that Jesus was the Christ ("Messiah"). They, to this date, still live in the expectation of "Messiah's" First Coming,-- "In The Flesh."! They have chosen to refuse that "Messiah" has come in the flesh and was "Cut off" (Isa. 53:8-12; Dan.9:26,)

Good stuff

"Messiah" would therefore have been crucified ("cut off, but not for Himself," Dan.9:26)

NIV is a much more clear rendering:

After the sixty-two 'sevens,' the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing.

in the mid-part ("Midst") of the last 7 years.

Incorrect.

The Messiah is cut off and has nothing, no Kingdom. Then "The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary." (this is a reference to Rome, not the Jews)

"The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him

that describes the covenant established by the antichrist

[jesusiskingofkings]

I think the 70 weeks are literally 70 years.

Dan. 9:2 In the first year of his reign I Daniel UNERSTOOD by books the NUMBER OF YEARS, whereof the word of the Lord came to JEREMIAH the prophet, that he would ACCOMPLISH SEVENTY YEARS IN THE DESOLATIONS OF JERUSALEM

He then prociedes to tell us he was fasting when the angel Gabreil came to give him understanding

7 weeks/years

62 weeks/year

+ 1week/year

70weeks/years

He didn't add another 62 weeks/years just said after the 62 weeks/years Messiah would be cut off. So to really fully understand what he is talking about we also need to back to the book Jeremiah to understand.

9:27 And HE SHALL CONFIRM the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even untill the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Here he said confirm, not make or enter into a covenant, so he will enforce a previece one that they have already intered into.

This is how I see that we need to go about understanding it.

There is much live in Christ Jesus,

Sister Bridget

[Guest The Ancient Words]

I think the 70 weeks are literally 70 years.

That cannot be true. The timeline in this link is helpful http://www.biblicalstudies.com/bstudy/eschatology/daniel.htm

It also clears up some of the disagreements about the final "seven" and the identity of the "he" who sets up the covenant with Israel http://www.biblicalstudies.com/bstudy/eschatology/daniel.htm

[Guest onwingsaseagles]

Daniel 9;27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:and in the midst of the wekk he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to to cease and FOR THE OVERSPREAD OF ABOMINATION HE SHALL MAKE IT DESOLATE,even until the consummation,and that determined shall be pored upon the desolate.

Now look closely it never say HE(Jesus) causes an abomination but because of the abomination HE(Jesus)shall make it desolate.So as you can see because of the overspreading of abomination ''caused'' by the anti christ ''HE''(Jesus) shall make it desolate.So the error of the most common accepted interpratation of this verse is obvious.He(Jesus) confirms the covenant of messiah promised to Israel by God.HE(Jesus)causes the sacrifice to cease by becoming the final and only true sacrifice.And HE(Jesus) makes it (the earth)desolate because of the overspreading of abomination.HE(Jesus) does not cause the abomination nor do the scripture indicate that he does.There will be no peace treaty between the anti christ and Israel there will be no 7yrs tribulation.Revelation make it clear that the tribulation is 3.5 yrs in rev:12:6&14 also in rev 13:5.

[Isa]

Sorry guys doubled up on my post.

Edited November 24, 2007 by Isa

[Isa]

Hi guys,

What we must realize is that the 70 weeks have been broken up.

Daniel 9:25

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