jeffnevins Posted September 15, 2008 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 207 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 806 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 141 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/09/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/21/1973 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Tetragametic chimerism is a less common cause of congenital chimerism. It occurs through the fertilization of two ova by two sperm, followed by the fusion of the zygotes and the development of an organism with intermingled cell lines. This happens at a very early stage of development, such as that of the blastocyst. Someone posed the question of whether the soul forms at conception, and if so, does a chimera human have two souls. I'm guessing yes, no. That one vessel ends up with one soul. It is an unusual situation, though- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffnevins Posted September 15, 2008 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 207 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 806 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 141 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/09/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/21/1973 Author Share Posted September 15, 2008 How could you ever determine this? Good question. That's why I figured I'd post. Someone raised the question on YouTube. Figured it was worth bringing up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovedya Posted September 15, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Tetragametic chimerism is a less common cause of congenital chimerism. It occurs through the fertilization of two ova by two sperm, followed by the fusion of the zygotes and the development of an organism with intermingled cell lines. This happens at a very early stage of development, such as that of the blastocyst. Someone posed the question of whether the soul forms at conception, and if so, does a chimera human have two souls. I'm guessing yes, no. That one vessel ends up with one soul. It is an unusual situation, though- So long as the human soul is part of the genetic makeup of humanity, then the question is moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kross Posted September 16, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,773 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 51 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/04/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/27/1957 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Tetragametic chimerism is a less common cause of congenital chimerism. It occurs through the fertilization of two ova by two sperm, followed by the fusion of the zygotes and the development of an organism with intermingled cell lines. This happens at a very early stage of development, such as that of the blastocyst. Someone posed the question of whether the soul forms at conception, and if so, does a chimera human have two souls. I'm guessing yes, no. That one vessel ends up with one soul. It is an unusual situation, though- So long as the human soul is part of the genetic makeup of humanity, then the question is moot. I am not sure what this is. If there are two humans, there are two souls. If it is one human with two different DNA, which I think is what you are talking about, it would have 1 soul. GOD would have known well in advance what was going to take place, and, while we look at the formation of a human as one specific process that happens one specific way, GOD may not. If HE wants to make a human in some other way, than HE can and still only have one soul prepared for that person. Still, it is a quetion that can not be answerred in the limitted comprehension of our finite minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovedya Posted September 16, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Tetragametic chimerism is a less common cause of congenital chimerism. It occurs through the fertilization of two ova by two sperm, followed by the fusion of the zygotes and the development of an organism with intermingled cell lines. This happens at a very early stage of development, such as that of the blastocyst. Someone posed the question of whether the soul forms at conception, and if so, does a chimera human have two souls. I'm guessing yes, no. That one vessel ends up with one soul. It is an unusual situation, though- So long as the human soul is part of the genetic makeup of humanity, then the question is moot. I am not sure what this is. If there are two humans, there are two souls. If it is one human with two different DNA, which I think is what you are talking about, it would have 1 soul. GOD would have known well in advance what was going to take place, and, while we look at the formation of a human as one specific process that happens one specific way, GOD may not. If HE wants to make a human in some other way, than HE can and still only have one soul prepared for that person. Still, it is a quetion that can not be answerred in the limitted comprehension of our finite minds. No. You're missing what I'm saying. If it has human DNA then it has a soul. If the human soul is part of the "human" DNA then it doesn't matter how the human is formed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovedya Posted September 16, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Tetragametic chimerism is a less common cause of congenital chimerism. It occurs through the fertilization of two ova by two sperm, followed by the fusion of the zygotes and the development of an organism with intermingled cell lines. This happens at a very early stage of development, such as that of the blastocyst. Someone posed the question of whether the soul forms at conception, and if so, does a chimera human have two souls. I'm guessing yes, no. That one vessel ends up with one soul. It is an unusual situation, though- So long as the human soul is part of the genetic makeup of humanity, then the question is moot. I am not sure what this is. If there are two humans, there are two souls. If it is one human with two different DNA, which I think is what you are talking about, it would have 1 soul. GOD would have known well in advance what was going to take place, and, while we look at the formation of a human as one specific process that happens one specific way, GOD may not. If HE wants to make a human in some other way, than HE can and still only have one soul prepared for that person. Still, it is a quetion that can not be answerred in the limitted comprehension of our finite minds. No. You're missing what I'm saying. If it has human DNA then it has a soul. If the human soul is part of the "human" DNA then it doesn't matter how the human is formed. Do you have any evidence that the soul is contained in DNA? This is a philosophical issue so of course there's some speculation involved. I can find no evidence from Scripture that the human soul enters an infant or unborn at a specific time, so therefore I conclude that the soul is a part of the genetic makeup. Where do you find that this is a logical problem or a contradiction with Scripture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kross Posted September 16, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,773 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 51 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/04/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/27/1957 Share Posted September 16, 2008 (edited) Tetragametic chimerism is a less common cause of congenital chimerism. It occurs through the fertilization of two ova by two sperm, followed by the fusion of the zygotes and the development of an organism with intermingled cell lines. This happens at a very early stage of development, such as that of the blastocyst. Someone posed the question of whether the soul forms at conception, and if so, does a chimera human have two souls. I'm guessing yes, no. That one vessel ends up with one soul. It is an unusual situation, though- So long as the human soul is part of the genetic makeup of humanity, then the question is moot. I am not sure what this is. If there are two humans, there are two souls. If it is one human with two different DNA, which I think is what you are talking about, it would have 1 soul. GOD would have known well in advance what was going to take place, and, while we look at the formation of a human as one specific process that happens one specific way, GOD may not. If HE wants to make a human in some other way, than HE can and still only have one soul prepared for that person. Still, it is a quetion that can not be answerred in the limitted comprehension of our finite minds. No. You're missing what I'm saying. If it has human DNA then it has a soul. If the human soul is part of the "human" DNA then it doesn't matter how the human is formed. And you missed what I was saying. GOD has that under control. One soul will be enough. I am not sure why you would think that GOD is that limited or that a soul is imparted at any particular point. I am certain that the soul has nothing to do with the flesh and that DNA is only the building blocks for the flesh. DNA is not spirit. Where do you read that "if it has human dna it has a soul"? I have never seen that in the Bible. Edited September 16, 2008 by kross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovedya Posted September 16, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Tetragametic chimerism is a less common cause of congenital chimerism. It occurs through the fertilization of two ova by two sperm, followed by the fusion of the zygotes and the development of an organism with intermingled cell lines. This happens at a very early stage of development, such as that of the blastocyst. Someone posed the question of whether the soul forms at conception, and if so, does a chimera human have two souls. I'm guessing yes, no. That one vessel ends up with one soul. It is an unusual situation, though- So long as the human soul is part of the genetic makeup of humanity, then the question is moot. I am not sure what this is. If there are two humans, there are two souls. If it is one human with two different DNA, which I think is what you are talking about, it would have 1 soul. GOD would have known well in advance what was going to take place, and, while we look at the formation of a human as one specific process that happens one specific way, GOD may not. If HE wants to make a human in some other way, than HE can and still only have one soul prepared for that person. Still, it is a quetion that can not be answerred in the limitted comprehension of our finite minds. No. You're missing what I'm saying. If it has human DNA then it has a soul. If the human soul is part of the "human" DNA then it doesn't matter how the human is formed. And you missed what I was saying. GOD has that under control. One soul will be enough. I am not sure why you would think that GOD is that limited or that a soul is imparted at any particular point. I am certain that the soul has nothing to do with the flesh and that DNA is only the building blocks for the flesh. DNA is not spirit. Where do you read that "if it has human dna it has a soul"? I have never seen that in the Bible. The Bible shows that the soul of man is his mind, emotion and will. These items are clearly a part of the genetic makeup. The human spirit is another part of man. You're confusing the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ningning Posted September 17, 2008 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 119 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/28/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/21/1973 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Tetragametic chimerism is a less common cause of congenital chimerism. It occurs through the fertilization of two ova by two sperm, followed by the fusion of the zygotes and the development of an organism with intermingled cell lines. This happens at a very early stage of development, such as that of the blastocyst. Someone posed the question of whether the soul forms at conception, and if so, does a chimera human have two souls. I'm guessing yes, no. That one vessel ends up with one soul. It is an unusual situation, though- I think this can be a result of IVF? The dominant one has the soul. It cannot be two souls in one, it is still one person, because there is one body. I'm really confused now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kross Posted September 18, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,773 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 51 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/04/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/27/1957 Share Posted September 18, 2008 Tetragametic chimerism is a less common cause of congenital chimerism. It occurs through the fertilization of two ova by two sperm, followed by the fusion of the zygotes and the development of an organism with intermingled cell lines. This happens at a very early stage of development, such as that of the blastocyst. Someone posed the question of whether the soul forms at conception, and if so, does a chimera human have two souls. I'm guessing yes, no. That one vessel ends up with one soul. It is an unusual situation, though- So long as the human soul is part of the genetic makeup of humanity, then the question is moot. I am not sure what this is. If there are two humans, there are two souls. If it is one human with two different DNA, which I think is what you are talking about, it would have 1 soul. GOD would have known well in advance what was going to take place, and, while we look at the formation of a human as one specific process that happens one specific way, GOD may not. If HE wants to make a human in some other way, than HE can and still only have one soul prepared for that person. Still, it is a quetion that can not be answerred in the limitted comprehension of our finite minds. No. You're missing what I'm saying. If it has human DNA then it has a soul. If the human soul is part of the "human" DNA then it doesn't matter how the human is formed. And you missed what I was saying. GOD has that under control. One soul will be enough. I am not sure why you would think that GOD is that limited or that a soul is imparted at any particular point. I am certain that the soul has nothing to do with the flesh and that DNA is only the building blocks for the flesh. DNA is not spirit. Where do you read that "if it has human dna it has a soul"? I have never seen that in the Bible. The Bible shows that the soul of man is his mind, emotion and will. These items are clearly a part of the genetic makeup. The human spirit is another part of man. You're confusing the two. I would disagree with you. The dis-embodied souls in heaven are not of the flesh or of DNA, and I would say they are spirit. While I am conscious of the difference between "the spirit" and "the soul", that difference does not establish that both entities are not spirit. It simply establishes that there are two different attributes of spirit to a person. Though, I can see where your point of view is from and it is a valid as any, I am still inclined to think GOD has all of that covered. The person is still formed by GOD, planned by GOD and thus, is indowed with a soul as GOD decides to do it. Maybe the reason they join is becouse one of them doen't have a soul, a genetic defect, and so the two become one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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