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Gen 1:11  And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so.

Gen 1:12  And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:21  And God created the great sea-monsters, and every living creature that moveth, wherewith the waters swarmed, after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind: and God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:24  And God said, Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind, cattle, and creeping things, and beasts of the earth after their kind: and it was so.

We know how God says it works. We know that Lou Pasteur proved that life cannot come from non life, and that life only comes from the same kind of life. This has become a scientific law, and our entire canning/bottling/bagging industry is based on it. The following is the long boring version for those who want more than the above

A mutation is damage to a single DNA unit (a gene). If it occurs in a somatic (body) gene, it only injures the individual; but if to a gametic (reproductive) gene, it will be passed on to his descendants.

Mutations rank equally with fossils and natural selection as the three most important aspects of life evolution.

Fossil evidence in the sedimentary rock strata is supposed to provide evidence that species evolution has occurred in the past, and natural selection and mutations are the only means (mechanisms) by which it could occur.

In the chapter on Fossils and Strata, we will learn that there is simply no evidence that evolution of life-forms has ever occurred in the past. In the chapter on Natural Selection, we learned that the accidental gene reshuffling (which evolutionists call "natural selection") can indeed produce changes within species

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More good stuff Arkon. Keep it coming. You're like the energizer bunny. You keep going and going and going. lol. You tell 'em bro!

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Please if you're going to cut and paste something this big, break it up and at least quote the source.

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Hi Arkon, it would seem to me Steff that Arkon has included a number of references in this article :t2:

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Like I've already said Arkon, I'm not going to respond to monster cut and pastes, especially as, given the fact that you don't understand them well enough to post them in your own words, you probably don't have any intention of really following up any replies.

Sorry, but I do have limits.

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Hmmm. Guess we all have limits to our tolerance, don't we?

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Leonard it has nothing to do with tolerance. This is a forum or your OWN Ideas, not an exchange of posting other people's ideas. If Arkon can't write his own ideas what's the point? A link would do just as well as cut & paste and be far less annoying. He's using other people's words to cover up the fact that he can't argue on his own reasonably without pulling the "hell" card. I have yet to see Arkon put forth a reasonable well thought out argument that didn't result in a personal attack on someone.

If he can't witness to another christian how is he going to fare in the real world?

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I do not know what everyone is saying on this post, but mutations happen, like if two different species gets together physically they change, and receive the benefits of the other.

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Like I've already said Arkon, I'm not going to respond to monster cut and pastes, especially as, given the fact that you don't understand them well enough to post them in your own words, you probably don't have any intention of really following up any replies.

Sorry, but I do have limits.

SA,

Once again my post saying that you choose to ignore that which you do not want to deal with is proven. Over and over again you tell us to give you proof of any of our arguments and when we do you discount it by saying that you won't respond because we are not smart enough to put it in our own words. Give me a break!!! You say you are not on here to show how smart you are yet you refuse to refute anything that we can't come up with ourselves knowing that we are no match for you by ourselves but we can study something and bring it to you.

Once again your motives are shining brighter than the sun on a clear day. Any time someone brings up something you can't answer just flip it aside. The Spirit reveals all things, I just wish those in charge of this forum would see it also. Let's see all the limits you have.

1. Science has its limits. Can't answer certain questions just cause science is not suppose to answer that.

2. You have your limits. You won't answer anything that we being intelligent people go and find to refute you because we aren't intelligent enough to understand everything it's saying. Yet this is not about how smart you are? YEAH RIGHT!! :suspect:

I can't wait to see the next set of limits you come up with. I'm done trying to refute your arguments as it does no good because you will just limit your way out of anything you can't explain. I will keep posting when I see posts like the one above so that as many people on here as is possible will know your true motives. There comes a time when the people of God must not cower but rather stand.

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Alright Strsevent,

lets test your tolerance...the folllowing is a list of contradictions to the bible. Read through them and defend your answers...if you can.

God creates animals and then man - Gen 1:25-26

God creates man and then the animals - Gen 2:18-19

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Arpachshad's son was Shelah - Gen 11:12

Arpachshad's grandson was Shelah - Luke 3:35-36

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Noah takes 7 pairs of each type of animal onto the ark

- Gen 7:2-3

Noah takes one pair of animal onto the ark - Gen 6:19

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Terah's lifespan.

Acts 7:4 states Terah was dead when Abraham left Haran.

According to Gen 11:26, Terah was 70 when Abraham was

born and Abraham was 75 when he left Haran. Therefore

he lived 70 years (ie. his age when Abraham was born)

plus 75 years (Abraham's age when he left Haran -

Terah was dead at this time according to Acts 7:4) -

145 years in total. However, Gen 11:32 states he lived

205 years.

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God promises Abraham the land of Canaan to live in -

Gen 17:8

God did not allow Abraham to live in the promised land

- Acts 7:5, Heb 11:8,9,13

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Jacob's offspring in Egypt totalled 70 - Gen 46:26-27,

Ex 1:5

Jacob's offspring in Egypt totalled 75 - Acts 7:14

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Jacob was buried in a cave in Machpelah's field that

was bought from Ephron the Hittite - Gen 50:13

Jacob was buried in a tomb at Shechem bought from the

sons of Hamor - Acts 7:15-16

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The Hebrews dwelt in Egypt for 430 years - Ex 2:40

The Hebrews dwelt in Egypt for 400 years - Acts 7:6

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God's plague kills 23,000 - Num 25:9

God's plague kills 24,000 - 1 Cor 10:8

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The Hebrews' journeying - Mount Hor (where Aaron dies),

Zalmonah, Punon - Num 33:37,38,41,42

The Hebrews' journeying - Beeroth Benejaakan, Moserah

(where Aaron dies), Gudgodah, Jotbathah - Deut 10:6,7

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God forbids killing - Ex 20:13

God commands killing - Ex 32:27

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Solomon's reign.

Acts 13:16-22 numbers the years from when the Hebrews

left Egypt to David beginning his reign as 40

(Wilderness) + 450 (Judges) + 40 (Saul) = 530 years.

According to 1 Chron 29:27, David reigned 40 years, so

Solomon became king (when David died) 530 + 40 years

(of David's reign) = 570 years. However, 1 Kings 6:1

states Solomon's 4th year of rule (when he began the

Temple building) was 480 years after the Hebrews left

Egypt, ie. he began his rule 476 years after the

Hebrews left. In sum, there is a contradiction of 94

years.

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Saul inquired of God, but God did not answer him - 1

Sam 28:6

Saul died because he did not seek guidance from God - 1

Chron 10:13,14

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Jesse had seven children - 1 Sam 16:10-13

Jesse had eight children - 1 Chron 2:13-15

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David slays Goliath - 1 Sam 17:4,7,50

Elhanan slays Goliath - 2 Sam 21:19

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Joram his son, Ahaziah his son, Joash his son, Amaziah

his son, Azariah his son, Jotham his son - 1 Chron

3:11,12

Joram the father of Uzziah, and Uzziah the father of

Jotham - Matt 1:8,9

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Asa removes the high places - places - 2 Chron 14:2

Asa did not remove the high places - 1 Kings 15:11-14

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Uzzah dies at the threshing-floor of Nacon - 2 Samuel

6:6

Uzzah dies at the threshing-floor of Chidon - 1 Chron

13:9

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David takes 1700 horsemen - 2 Sam 8:4

David takes 7000 horsemen - 1 Chron 18:4

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David destroys 700 chariots - 2 Sam 10:18

David destroys 7000 chariots - 1 Chron 19:18

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Satan incites David to number the people - 1 Chron 21:1

God incites David to number the people - 2 Sam 24:1

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Joab's numbering of the army. 1,100,00 soldiers in

Israel; 470,000 soldiers in Judah - 1 Chron 21:5

Joab's numbering of the army. 800,000 soldiers in

Israel; 500,000 in Judah - 2 Sam 24:9

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David buys the land for the altar from Ornan for 600

shekels of gold - 1 Chron 21:24-25

David buys the land for the altar from Araunah for 50

shekels - 2 Sam 24:24

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Solomon had 4,000 stalls and 12,000 horsemen - 2 Chron

9:25

Solomon had 40,000 stalls and 12,000 horsemen - 1 Kings

4:26

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The Temple pillars were 18 cubits - 1 Kings 7:15

The Temple pillars were 35 cubits - 2 Chron 3:15

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The molten sea held 2000 baths - 1 Kings 7:23,26

The molten sea held 3000 baths - 2 Chron 4:2,5

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The importance of wisdom - Proverbs 4:7

The unimportance of wisdom - 1 Cor 1:19

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The joy of wisdom - Proverbs 3:13-15

The misery of wisdom - Ecc 1:18

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How the righteous suffer like the wicked - Ecc 9:2,

Isaiah 57:1

How the righteous flourish - Psalm 92:12-13

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No ills befall the righteous - Proverbs 12:21

How the righteous suffer - Job 12:4,6, Hebrews 11:35-37

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The wicked will die prematurely and will suffer -

Psalm 55:23, Proverbs 10:27, Job 18:5,11,18,19

The wicked lifespan is long and they enjoy life - Psalm

73:3-5,12, Job 21:7-9

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Man is to be holy - Leviticus 11:44, 19:2, 20:7

Only God is holy - Revelation 15:4

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Drinking alcohol is acceptable - Deuteronomy 14:26,

John 2:7-11, 1 Timothy 5:23

Drinking alcohol is not acceptable - Proverbs 20:1,

23:31-34, Hosea 20:1

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Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he began his reign - 2

Chron 36:9

Jehoiachin was 18 years old when he began his reign - 2

Kings 24:8

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The captain takes 5 men of the king's council - 2 Kings

25:19

The captain takes 7 men of the king's council -

Jeremiah 52:25

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Baasha dies and his son Ela begins his reign over

Israel - this was in the 26th year of king Asa of Judah

- 1 Kings 16:6,8

In the 36th year of Asa's reign, Baasha attacks Judah 2

Chron 16:1

NB. 2 Chron has Baasha still fighting 10 years after 1

Kings says he died!

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The infancy narratives.

According to Luke 2:21-39, Jesus is taken to the

Jerusalem Temple eight days after he is born; the

family then go up to Nazareth. In Matthew 2:14-23,

after being born the family flee in Egypt and stay

there until Herod dies; even on returning, they avoid

Judea and go up to Nazareth.

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Jesus began ministry after John the Baptist is

imprisoned - Mark 1:14,15,17.

Jesus's began ministry whilst John was free and before

imprisoned - John 1:28-29, 3:25-30

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Jesus baptised - John 3:22

Jesus did not baptise - John 4:2

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The exorcism of Legion - being 2 men - Matt 8:28

The exorcism of Legion - being 1 man - Mark 5:1,2

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The healing on leaving Jericho was 1 blind man - Mark

10:46,47

The healing on leaving Jericho was 2 blind men - Matt

20:29,30

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No one has ascended into heaven before Jesus - John

3:13

Elijah ascended into heaven - 2 Kings 2:11

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Respect for parents taught - Exodus 20:12, Leviticus

19:3, Deuteronomy 5:16, Ephesians 6:1-2

Disrespect and rejection of parents taught - Matt 8:21-

22, 10:37, 19:29, 23:9, Luke 12:51,53, 14:26

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People choose not to come to Jesus - John 5:40

People can only come to Jesus if God wills it - John

6:44

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Jesus judges - John 5:22,27, 9:39, 2 Corinthians 5:10

Jesus does not judge - John 8:15, 12:47

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Christians to hate their brothers - - Luke 14:26

Whoever hates their brother cannot have eternal life -

1 John 3:15

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Jesus refuses to give signs - Matthew 12:38,39, Mark

8:12, Luke 11:29

Jesus did give signs - John 3:2, 20:30, Acts 2:22

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Man judged/saved by faith - John 3:15,16,36, 5:24,

20:31, Acts 2:21, 16:30,31, Rom 1:17, 5:1,9,11,18,

10:9, Gal 2:16, Phil 3:9, Eph 2:8,9

Man judged/saved by works and lifestyle - Psalm 62:12,

Proverbs 24:12, Matthew 7:21, 16:27, 19:16,17, 25:31-

46, Luke 14;13-14, John 5:29, Acts 10:35, Rom

2:6,7,9,10, 1 Cor 3:8

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One of the disciples was lost - John 17:12

None of the disciple were lost - John 18:9

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Jesus refers to David eating the consecrated bread in

the time of Abithar - Mark 2:25,26

In fact David ate the consecrated bread in the time of

Ahimelech - 1 Sam 21:1-6

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Disciples being sent out not to wear sandals - Matthew

10:9,10

Disciples being sent out to wear sandals - Mark 6:8,9

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No man can retain the spirit after death - Eccles 8:8

Peter restores spirit of Tabitha after death - Acts

9:37,40

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Believers not to worry about providing for family -

Luke 14:26,33, 18:29,30

Believers must provide for family - 1 Timothy 5:8

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Jesus did not bear witness to himself - John 5:31

Jesus did bear witness to himself - John 8:14,18

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The law/commandments to remain for ever - Matthew 5:17-

19, Luke 16:17

The law has ended - Romans 7:4, Eph 2:15, Col 2:14

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Simon and Andrew's home was in Capernaum - Mark 1:21,29

Simon and Andrew's home was in the same place as

Philip's - Bethsaida - John 1:44

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God has given all things into Jesus' hands - John 3:35

God has not given all things into Jesus' hands - Matt

20:23, John 5:19

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Everyone sins - 2 Chronicles 6:36, Ecclesiastes 7:20,

Rom 3:10,12,23

Believers do not sin - 1 John 3:6,9, 5:18

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The anointing and entry into Jerusalem.

Matthew and Mark detail how Jesus rode into Jerusalem

in Matt 20:1-13, Mark 11:1-11. It was after this that

he was anointed at Bethany - Matt 26:6-16, Mark 14:3-

11. But in John he is anointed (12:1-8) and it is

after this that he rides into Jerusalem (12:12-15).

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The Last Supper.

The Synoptics make it clear this was the Passover meal

- Matt 26:19, Mark 14:16, Luke 22:13. However in John,

the meal was held on the day before the Passover -

13:29, and after the meal the Passover had still not

begun - 18:28, and after the trial, it was the day

("Preparation") for the Passover. The Passover was on

the day after Jesus was crucified (ie. because the

Passover fell on the Saturday sabbath, it is therefore

called a 'high day') - John 19:31.

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Peter denies Jesus before the cock crows - Luke 22:34,

John 12:38

Peter denies Jesus before the cock crows twice - Mark

14:30, 14:72

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Peter is warned he will deny Jesus after the last

supper and having left the upper room - Matt 26:20-34,

Mark 14:17-30

Peter is warned he will deny Jesus during the last

supper before leaving the upper room - Luke 22:33-39,

John 13:37-38/ 18:1

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Jesus' trial before the sanhedrin was at night and in

morning he was taken to Pilate - Matthew 26:57-68,

27:1-2

Jesus' trial before the sanhedrin and being taken to

Pilate was in the morning - Luke 22:66-71, 23:1

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Simon of Cyrene carries Jesus' cross - Matthew 27:32

Jesus carries his cross - John 19:17,18

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Jesus was physically descended from David - Romans 1:1-

3.

The genealogy in Matt 1:1-16 only relates to Joseph

who had nothing to do with the conception. The

genealogy in Luke 3:23-38 again only mentions Joseph

and therefore physical Davidic descent must be shown

through Mary - Jesus' only contact with humanity if

virgin born. However, Luke 1:36 says Mary was related

to Elizabeth who was of the Aaronic line (Luke 1:5) and

therefore not the Davidic line, so with virgin birth,

Davidic descent, a strict prerequisite for messiahship

is prevented. In sum, Jesus couldn't be the Christ.

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Both robbers revile Jesus - Matt 27:44

Only one robber reviles Jesus and the other believes -

Luke 23:41-43

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Jesus tells the believing robber he will be with him in

paradise that day - Luke 23:43

Jesus was in the grave following his death and did not

ascend to heaven - Acts 2:24,31, John 20:17

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God forsakes Jesus - Mark 15:34

Jesus is inseparable from God - John 10:30, 14:10,

16:32

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The confirmation Jesus is dead.

In Mark 15:43-45, Joseph of Arimathea asks Pilate for

Jesus' body, and Pilate is unaware of whether he is

dead; only after sending a centurion and receiving this

confirmation does he allow Joseph to take the body.

However in John 19:31-33,38, Pilate actually

authorises the leg-breaking to ensure they have all

died and then authorises Joseph to remove the body.

NB. Mark 15:42 states it was evening, ie. the sabbath

had already begun (the Jewish 'day' beginning at 6pm),

when Joseph asks for the body. However, burial was not

allowed on this day, showing the fictitiousness of the

story.

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The Resurrection.

Who went to the tomb ? Matthew-2 Marys; Mark-2 Marys

and Salome; Luke-at least 5 women; John-Mary Magdalene,

What was seen ? Matthew-Earthquake with angel sitting

outside on the recently-moved stone; Mark-Stone already

moved and a young man sitting inside; Luke-Stone

already moved with two men standing inside; John-Stone

moved. No one seen on 1st visit, but two angels sitting

inside after two earlier visits.

When did the woman/women leave to go to the tomb ?

Matthew-Towards dawn; Mark-Very early; Luke-At early

dawn; John-Still dark (NB. John states it was still

dark when Mary arrived at the tomb).

What did man/men/angel/angels say ? Matthew-Jesus was

risen and disciples to go to Galilee; Mark-As Matthew;

Luke-Jesus had risen: John-Asks why Mary is crying.

What do the women/woman do next ? Matthew-they run

away but meet Jesus who repeats angel's instruction;

Mark-They flee and SAY NOTHING TO ANYONE. This

obviously contradicts the other three in which the

women do go and tell the disciples (original Mark ended

at 16:7); Luke-They go and tell disciples; John-Mary

meets Jesus and they talk.

What is 1st conversation with the risen Jesus ?

Matthew-Women on way from tomb; Luke-The two disciples

on road to Emmaus; John-Mary Magdalene.

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The time between the resurrection and ascension ?

Matthew-At least the time to reach Galilee (60-70 miles

north); Luke-clearly one day only (see 24:13,33,36,50 -

it is made very clear that Jesus rose, made all his

appearances and ascended back to heaven on the same

day); John-at least a week accepting John 20 as the

original end to the Gospel, but with the John 21

appendix this means it was even longer as this has a

Galilean appearance; Acts-40 days.

An attempt to reconcile John's visit of just Mary

Magdalene whilst still dark with the Synoptics where

there are several women and it is daytime, is by saying

John's was an earlier one, ie. the one in the Synoptics

was a second one. However this cannot be so as John

has Mary Magdalene seeing the empty tomb (20:1) and in

the Synoptics when the women go to the tomb they ask

about who would roll the stone away (Mark 16:3).

However Mary Magdalene was with them (Mark 16:1) and

she had already seen that the stone had been moved away

and therefore they would already know this from her 1st

visit.

Furthermore, Luke makes any appearance at, or journey

to Galilee absolutely impossible as it has everything

happening in the area of Jerusalem with the disciples

being told to stay there until Pentecost, and the

conclusion being Jesus' ascension from nearby Bethany.

This is made clear - in Luke the first appearance is to

the two travelling to Emmaus (10 miles West of

Jerusalem) and 24:13 states this was "that very day";

the two then go "that same hour" to the eleven in

Jerusalem (24:33); Jesus then appears whilst they are

still explaning what they had seen (24:36). Jesus then

tells them to STAY IN JERUSALEM UNTIL PENTECOST

(24:49).

As Luke 24:51 has the ascension on the same day as the

resurrection this prevents any Galilean appearances by

Jesus to the eleven as in Matt and John.

Luke's account makes nonsense of Matt having Jesus tell

the women to instruct the disciples to go up to Galilee

(Matt 28:10) if he was going to see them himself later

that day (as in Luke and John), and furthermore see

them in Jerusalem. Also, Luke makes it clear that the

eleven were told to stay in Jerusalem from the day of

the resurrection to Pentecost, but Matt has them

travelling up to Galilee (28:16) as does John (21:1ff).

Important to note is Mark 16:7, ie. that the women

'said nothing to anyone' - all three Gospels contradict

this by them telling the disciples which then leads

into their accounts. Because of Mark 16:7, this is

really made impossible.

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Luke also has Jesus appearing to "the eleven" on the

same day as the resurrection (24:33-36), but John

states Thomas was missing on this appearance and it was

a week later that Jesus actually appeared to all eleven

- with Thomas then being present (20:24,26).

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The chronology of Paul's life.

Acts

(1)Paul converted on the way to Damascus (9:1-8).

(2)He goes to Ananias in Damascus and stays there

'several days' (9:20).

(3)After 'some time'*, Paul goes to Jerusalem

(9:23,26) and meets the apostles there (9:27).

(4)Paul preaches in Jerusalem, but due to threats to

kill him, he is sent to Tarsus (9:30).

(5)Relief to Jerusalem and Judea taken by Paul &

Barnabas (2nd visit) (11:30)

(6)Paul goes to Jerusalem (3rd time) (12:25)**

(7)Paul goes to Jerusalem (3rd or 4th time)

(15:1ff).(vii)

Galatians.

(1)Paul is converted (1:16).

(2)He does not go to Jerusalem, but to Arabia and then

Damascus (1:17)

(3)After 3 years, Paul goes to Jerusalem, meeting only

Cephas and James there (1:18-19) staying only 15 days.

(4)He then goes to the regions of Syria and Cilicia

(1:21).

(5)14 years later, Paul goes to Jerusalem with Barnabas

and Titus (2:1).

(6)Paul confronts Cephas at Antioch (2:11).

(7)No further information.

* The 'some time' in Acts 9:19 is not clear as to how

long this was; different translations render this 'some

time passed' (Jerusalem), 'after a number of days'

(Moffatt); the literal Greek is "'many' with the view

of being sufficient"; however it is rendered, it is

difficult to reconcile this with the three years of Gal

1:18.

** It is not clear whether 12:25 is a return to

Jerusalem, or a return to Antioch from Jerusalem; if

the former, and the Acts 15 visit is the Gal 2:1-10

one, then in Acts it would be the fourth visit, whilst

Paul states it was only the second.

Paul's method of counting in Gal. is not absolutely

clear, ie. whether his 14 years in Gal 2:1 is 14 years

after his starting point in Gal (ie. his conversion) or

14 years after the first Jerusalem visit 3 years after

his conversion which he had mentioned immediately

beforehand (ie. a total of 17 years after his

conversion).

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Numerous others problems arise when trying to reconcile

the two accounts, eg. Acts has Paul in Jerusalem and

Judea in his early life (21:17 then 22:3) and as a

persecutor of the church there (7:58, 9:1-2,13,21,

26:10) which makes Paul's comment that (Gal 1:22) he

was not known by sight by the churches in Judea even

after his time in Jerusalem, Syria and Cilicia (1:17-

21) appear impossible. Furthermore when Paul has a

dispute with Peter at Antioch about Gentile fellowship

in Gal 2, why does he not remind him of what was agreed

at the Acts 15 conference on this very subject ?

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Abraham was justified by faith - Rom 4:1-5

Abraham was justified by works - James 2:22-24

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Man does not die for his ancestors' sin - Deut 24:16, 2

Kings 14:6, Ezek 18:20

Man does die for his ancestors' sin - Ex 20:5, 34:6-7,

2 Sam 12:13-18, Isa 14:21, Rom 5:12,19, 1 Cor 15:22

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Elijah and Moses appear many centuries after they died

- Mark 9:2-4

Only God is immortal - 1 Tim 6:15-16

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Jesus to be buried for three days and nights - Matt

12:40

Jesus buried for one day and two nights - Mark

15:42,43, John 20:1 (These texts show the burial did

not take place until Friday night and the tomb was

empty before Sunday morning). Jesus is NOT dead for

"three days and three nights" whether present-day or

Jewish time-reckoning is used.

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Jesus was the first person to rise from the dead -

Acts 26:23, Rev 1:5

Jesus was not the first person to rise from the dead -

2 Kings 4:32,35, Luke 7:12-15, Matt 9:18,25, 11:5,

27:52, John 11:44

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The Holy Spirit given on Easter Sunday - John 20:19,22

The Holy Spirit given at Pentecost - Acts 2:1-4

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Jesus warns disciples he is to leave them - John

16:5,7,28

Jesus assures disciples he will always be with them -

Matt 28:20

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The Holy Spirit not given until Jesus' death - John

7:39

The Holy Spirit given before Jesus' birth - Luke

1:41,67

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Judas dies by hanging himself - Matt 27:5-7

Judas dies by swelling up - Acts 1:18

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Women buy anointing spices for Jesus after the sabbath

- Mark 16:1

Women buy anointing spices for Jesus before the

sabbath - Luke 23:56

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Paul's vision.

Acts 9:7 states the men with Paul STOOD speechless,

HEARING the voice but NOT SEEING anyone.

Acts 22:9 states they did NOT HEAR the voice.

Acts 26:14 states they all FELL to the ground and DID

HEAR the voice.

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God is impartial towards people - Acts 10:34, Rom 2:11,

Gal 2:8, Eph 6:9

God is partial towards people - Rom 8:29-30, 9:11-13,

Matt 10:5-6, 15:22-25, Luke 1:30

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Those without the law, will perish without it - Rom

2:12

Where there is no law, there can be no transgression -

Rom 4:15

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Salvation only available to a few who have been chosen

- Matt 7:14, 22:14, Luke 12:32, 13:24, John 6:37,65,

15:16,19, Rom 8:29, 9:11-23, Eph 1:4,

Salvation available to those who want it - Matt 7:7,8,

11:28, John 3:16, 5:40, 7:37, Acts 2:21, Rev 3:20

NB. Prov 16:4 states God actually made the unsaved for

'the day of trouble' (ie. damnation). In contrast to

texts that state Jesus died for the elect/a small

number, there are others that confirm, or at least

suggest everyone will be saved by Christ - John 1:29,

4:42, 1 Cor 15:29, Heb 2:9, 1 John 4:14.

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Satan is free to act as he pleases - Job 1:6-7, 2:1-2,

Zech 3;1, Matt 4:1, 1 Pet 5:8

The angels who rebelled against God are chained up -

Jude 6

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James and John ask Jesus for special places in the

kingdom - Mark 10:35-37

It is the mother of James and John who asks Jesus for

special places for them - Matt 20:21-22

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No one born of God sins - 1 John 3:9

Everyone sins - Rom 3:23, 1 John 1:8

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No one is righteous - Rom 3:10

There are righteous - James 5:16

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The sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is

unforgiveable - Matt 12:32, Mark 3:29

God forgives all sins - 1 John 1:7

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Love your enemies - Matt 5:44

Refuse to greet your enemies - 2 John 10, enemies are

cursed by Paul - Gal 1:9, Paul asks that his enemies

mutilate themselves - Gal 5:12

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Those who go into the grave will never arise - Job

7:7,9, 14:10,12

Those who go into the grave will arise - John 5:28-29,

11:24, 1 Cor 15:12-18,20-23,52, Rev 20:4

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The dead are unconscious - Job 14:12, Ecc 9:5, Dan 12:2

The dead are conscious - Mark 9:4, Luke 16:22-23, Rev

6:9-10

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The earth will exist for ever - Ecc 1:4

The earth will be destroyed - 2 Pet 3:10

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No one has ever seen God - Ex 33:17,20, John 1:18, 1

Tim 6:15-16,

People have seen God - Gen 32:30, Ex 24:9-10, 33:11,21-

23, Isa 6:5, Deut 5:24, Amos 9:1

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God is not responsible for confusion - 1 Cor 14:33

God is responsible for confusion - Isa 45:7

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All will swear to God - Isa 45:22-23

Jesus forbids swearing - Matt 5:34

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God can do anything - Mark 10:27, Luke 1:37

God is limited in what he can do - Judges 1:19, Mark

6:5-6

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God wants everyone to be saved - 1 Tim 2:3-4, 2 Pet 3:9

God does not want everyone to be saved - Prov 16:4,

Mark 4:11-12, Rom 9:18, 2 Thess 2:11

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The returnees from Babylonian exile in 537/536 BCE.

42,360 in Ezra 2:64. 29,818 in Ezra 2:3-60. 31,089 in

Nehemiah 7:7-65.

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God is not angry for long - Psa 30:5, 103:9, Micah 7:18

God is angry for a long time - Num 32:13, Rev 14:11,

20:10

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God never lies and hates lying - Ex 23:1, Num 23:19,

Prov 12:22, Titus 1:2

God himself lies - 1 Kings 22:23, 2 Chron 18:22, 2

Thess 2:11

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God does not repent (ie. regret an action/change his

mind) - Num 23:19, 1 Sam 15:29, Mal 3:6

God does repent (ie. regret an action/change his mind)

- Gen 6:6-7, Ex 32:14, 1 Sam 15:35, 2 Sam 24:16, 1

Chron 21:15, Jer 18:8,10, 26:3,13,19, 42:10, Ezek

24:14, Joel 2:13, Amos 7:3, Jonah 3:10

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The earth has no foundation - Job 26:7

The earth does have foundations - 1 Sam 2:8, Psa 104:5

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God feeds and cares for all life - Psa 145:15-16

God does not feed and care for all life - Deut 28:48,

Isa 5:13, 8:21, 50:2

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God is warlike - Ex 15:3, Psa 24:8, Rev 19:11,13

Man should be peaceful - as God is - Matt 5:9, John

14:27, Rom 15:33, 2 Thess 3:16

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Graven images not to be made - Ex 20:4

Graven images are to be made - Ex 25:18

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The earth is God/Jesus' - Psa 24:1, 1 Cor 10:26, Rev

1:5

The earth is the devil's - John 12:31, 2 Cor 4:4

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God dwells in light - Psa 104:1,2, 1 Tim 6:15-16, 1

John 1:5

God dwells in darkness - 1 Kings 8:12, 2 Chron 6:1, Psa

18:11, Psa 97:1-2

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Jesus is God - John 1:1, John 20:288

Jesus is inferior/subordinate to God - John 14:28, 1

Cor 11:3, 15:28

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The Synoptics have Jesus clearing the Temple at the end

of his ministry (Mark 11:15-17 & par) but John has this

at the very beginning (2:13-16). Also, John has Jesus

travelling back and forth between Galilee and Jerusalem

but the synoptics have him starting in Galilee & making

the one journey south to Jerusalem ending in his death.

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God is gracious, loving, merciful, good, forgiving, and

perfect - Ex 34:6, Deut 32:4, 2 Sam 22:31, Psa 86:5,

100:5, 106:1, 111:4,7, 136:1, 145:8-9, Lam 3:33, Joel

2:13, Hab 1:12-13, Mark 10:18, 1 John 4:8,16

God slaughters, is vengeful, does evil, defiles,

destroys and creates woes - Ex 32:14, Num 31:1-18, Deut

2:30,34, 7:2,16, 20:10-20, 1 Sam 6:19, Job 42:11, Isa

45:7, Jer 18:5,8,11, 26:3,13,19, 42:10-11, Lam 3:38,

Ezek 6:12-13, 20:25-26, Amos 3:16, Nahum 1:2, Jonah

3:10

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God sees everything and is omnipresent - Psa 11:4, Prov

15:3, Job 34:21, Jer 16:17, 23:24, Heb 4:13

God does not see everything and is not omnipresent -

Gen 3:9-10, 11:5, 18:20-21, Ex 3:8, 19:11, 18,20, Micah

1:3

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God did not dwell in the house (Temple) Solomon built -

Acts 7:48

God did dwell in the house (Temple) that Solomon built

- 1 Kings 8:13

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God is always near - Psa 46:1, 145:14, 18-19, James 4:8

God is not always near - 1 Sam 28:6, Psa 10:1, 22:1,2,

Matt 27:46

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God creates all life out of the waters - Gen 1:20-21

God creates all life out of the earth - Gen 2:19

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The doers of the law will be justified - Rom 2:13

No one is justified by the law - Rom 3:20

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Disciples will be persecuted and martyred - Luke

21:16, Acts 7:59-60, 8:1, Rev 6:9

Disciples will not be harmed - Luke 21:18

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Christians to obey authorities - Rom 13;1, 1 Pet 2:13-

14

Christians to obey God rather than authorities - Acts

5:29

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Disciples given power to cure all ills - Matt 10:1,

Luke 9:1

Disciples could not cure all ills - Matt 17:18-20

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Centurion goes to Jesus for his servant to be healed -

Matt 8:5-13

Centurion sends elders to Jesus to ask for his servant

to be healed - Luke 7:1-10

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God's word and law abides for ever - Matt 5:18, 1 Pet

1:25

God's word and law has been cancelled - Eph 2:15, Col

2:14

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Governors are God's ministers for the good and protect

the innocent - Rom 13:1,3, 1 Pet 2:13-14

The Governor Pontius Pilate has Jesus crucified - Mark

15:15, Luke 23:11,24,25, John 19:1,6

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Christ was raised a spirit being - 1 Cor 15:44-45, 1

Pet 3:18

Christ was physically raised in the body - Luke

24:39,42-43, John 20:26-27

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The coming kingdom of God will be visible - Daniel 2:44

The coming kingdom of God will not be visible - Luke

17:20-21

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God is spirit - John 4:24

God has feet - Psa 18:9, arms - Jer 27:5, wings - Psa

36:7, eyes - Deut 11:12, Psa 34:15, a mouth - Isa 1:20,

Deut 8:3, ears - 2 Chron 6:40, a nose - Ex 15:8, a

heart - Gen 6:6, legs - Gen 3:8

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The Bible teaches forgiveness - Matt 6:14-15, Rom

12:17-19, Eph 4:32, Col 3:13

The Bible teaches punishment and vengeance - Gen 9:6,

Ex 21:23-25,29, Lev 24;16,23

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God is one - Deut 6:4

God is plural - Gen 1:26, 11:6,7, Isa 6:8

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The (Incomplete) Flood.

Gen 6:4 refers to a race called the Nephilim. Later in

Gen 7:11-24 there is the account of the Flood in which

"every living thing" was killed (7:23) except Noah and

his family; however, in Num 13:33 the Nephilim are

still around !

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The families of Japheth, Ham and Shem all have their

own languages - Gen 10:5,20,31

There is only one language over the whole earth - Gen

11:1

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