O'Dannyboy Posted January 5, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 156 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,454 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/22/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/02/1969 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Former Ambassador John Bolton: Give Gaza, West Bank to Egypt, Jordan On the surface it seems like a good idea. Israel would no longer be responsible for that land or its inhabitants. Without question it would rule out the need or "right" of any other nation or people to claim any part of Jerusalem as its capital. Security of these areas would also fall under each nations respective jurisdiction. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tehilah Ba'Aretz Posted January 5, 2009 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 263 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/09/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/02/1954 Share Posted January 5, 2009 There are a few major problems with this plan. First, why should Israel give it's land to anyone? Second, the gift of shooting platforms to terrorists only enables them. Third, neither Egypt nor Jordan have a history of stopping the terrorists effectively. Fourth, God owns the land and nobody has the right to give it to anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Dannyboy Posted January 5, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 156 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,454 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/22/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/02/1969 Author Share Posted January 5, 2009 There are a few major problems with this plan. First, why should Israel give it's land to anyone? Second, the gift of shooting platforms to terrorists only enables them. Third, neither Egypt nor Jordan have a history of stopping the terrorists effectively. Fourth, God owns the land and nobody has the right to give it to anyone. In answer to your first question, the Palestinians effectively posses the land in question. As we all have come to understand, possession is nine tenths of the law. Unless Israel is prepared to risk war with the Arab world, and it's "friends" then it must concede that there is little benefit from legally "owning" that land. As for your second "major problem" the terrorists already inhabit and utilize these "platforms" and so they are already enabled, as you put it. Thirdly, it doesn't matter what Egypt or Jordan's history with terrorists is like. The issue is responsibility. When the world can no longer hold Israel responsible for the state of affairs in these lands then they must concede that the violence against Israel is not born out of discontent but of hatred. Finally couldn't the same be said for all the lands of the earth? Do the Jews then not own the land that God promised or is it only a loan? If they do own it then can they not do with it what they wish, including giving it to others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizzdy Posted January 5, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 173 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,911 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 10 Joined: 03/21/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted January 5, 2009 I think that was talked about at some point by at least some in Israel but Egypt nor Jordan want anymore palestinians in the country. Egypt has enough problems with the muslim brotherhood as it is along with hamas operatives there also. Jordan was supposed to be the land for the palestinians and houses several refugee camps already and I think they out number the Jordanians but I haven't checked those stats. Seems like some sort of easy fix but in reality it would cause many problems for all the countries involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backontrack Posted January 5, 2009 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 139 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,213 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 185 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/10/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted January 5, 2009 Former Ambassador John Bolton: Give Gaza, West Bank to Egypt, Jordan On the surface it seems like a good idea. Israel would no longer be responsible for that land or its inhabitants. Without question it would rule out the need or "right" of any other nation or people to claim any part of Jerusalem as its capital. Security of these areas would also fall under each nations respective jurisdiction. What do you think? Give Gaza, West Bank to Egypt, Better recant that statement for the Judgement of God falls on us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Dannyboy Posted January 5, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 156 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,454 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/22/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/02/1969 Author Share Posted January 5, 2009 Former Ambassador John Bolton: Give Gaza, West Bank to Egypt, Jordan On the surface it seems like a good idea. Israel would no longer be responsible for that land or its inhabitants. Without question it would rule out the need or "right" of any other nation or people to claim any part of Jerusalem as its capital. Security of these areas would also fall under each nations respective jurisdiction. What do you think? Give Gaza, West Bank to Egypt, Better recant that statement for the Judgement of God falls on us! Is it not possible that this is where the seven (3.5) years of "peace" could be rooted? Let me state once again that the Palestinians already posses the land and so ownership here is a technicality. The only "benefit" Israel gets from owning those territories is for the air space. And at what cost? The fact remains that the Palestinians control, for the most part, both territories and use both of them to wage Islam's proxy war against Israel. Israel has very few options in this case. They can bide their time and continue to fight an almost unseen enemy, they can chose to eliminate the threat once and for all by driving them into adjacent territories or they can pass the responsibility to someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blien Posted January 5, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 346 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 3,050 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 46 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/02/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/26/1982 Share Posted January 5, 2009 You can't give away what God owns. Isreal is His. That is how a nation was born within a day as it was prophesied (Isaiah 66:8). The Palestinians are simply renting the space until his return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 In answer to your first question, the Palestinians effectively posses the land in question.God owns the land and God by right as Creator/Sovereign gave that land to Israel by virtue of an eternal covenant. The land is not Israel's to give away and it is not the Palestinians's to possess. The Gaza was given to Judah and the West Bank is biblical Judea and Samaria. It is God's land and by extension it is Israel's land. The fact that Israel has mistakenly allowed the Palestinians to possess it doesn't really matter from the standpoint of whose land it is. As we all have come to understand, possession is nine tenths of the law. That is American law. We are not dealing with how things are done in the US. God's word holds more authority in this issue. Unless Israel is prepared to risk war with the Arab world, and it's "friends" then it must concede that there is little benefit from legally "owning" that land.Ultimately, the Lord fights for Israel. The Arab world has, historically never been a match for the chosen people of God. The Jews have whipped them before, and they will continue doing so. There is a lot of benefit from owning the Land God has given them. As for your second "major problem" the terrorists already inhabit and utilize these "platforms" and so they are already enabled, as you put it.When Egypt held Gaza and Jordan held the West Bank, not only were the Palestinians brutalized by them for 19 years, but they used those areas to stage the 6 - Day War. Israel's presence in those areas was meant to be a buffer to prevent those countries from using those areas to stage further wars. So it makes no sense stragegically to give them up. Thirdly, it doesn't matter what Egypt or Jordan's history with terrorists is like.Oooooh yes, it does. It matters alot given that the most Palestinians hail from either Jordan, Egypt or Lebanon. It also matters because they will simply use those areas as terrorist breeding grounds. The West Bank and Gaza will become nothing but glorified terrorist training camps, and Israel does not need that kind of threat sitting on its doorstep. When the world can no longer hold Israel responsible for the state of affairs in these lands then they must concede that the violence against Israel is not born out of discontent but of hatred.YOu don't understand the type irrational hatred Israel faces with respect to the international community. It can and has been long proven that it is hate that motivates the terrorists and not poverty or discontent. The problem is that the world hates Israel because they hate Israel. When it comes to Israel, I have found that people don't need a good reason to hate them. Israel as become "The Jew" of the international community. The age-old anti-Semitism of pre holocaust Europe has morphed into ant-Zionism and a belief that Israel is a mistake and doesn't have a good reason to justify its existance. Finally couldn't the same be said for all the lands of the earth? Do the Jews then not own the land that God promised or is it only a loan? If they do own it then can they not do with it what they wish, including giving it to others? This Land in particular God calls His Land. It is the only place where God says He has placed His Name. He says In Leviticus 25 that the land is His. God has a lot to say about the Land of Israel. It holds a special place in His heart. God is the ultimate owner of the Land and He gave it to Israel as part of an eternal covenant in Genesis 15, and 17. The only "benefit" Israel gets from owning those territories is for the air space. That is not true Here is a breakdown of what Israel had while Jews were still living in Gaza: 1. $120 Million a year revenue from flower exports 2. 60% of Israel's tomato exports came from the Gaza strip 3. 15-20% of all of Israel's agricultural exports came from Gaza 4. Gaza provided employment for 10,000 Jews and 5,000 Palestinians in the agricultural sector 5. 166 farms were lost 6. 800 cows moved from the second largest dairy farm in the area over to the West Bank, and so far the lost revenue has not been recovered. 7. Israel lost 1,000 acres of greenhouses 8. 70% of Israel organic produce was grown in Gaza and that revenue was lost with the disengagement. Aside from the financial benefits, the others are as important. When Israel was in Gaza, it provided a buffer and there were fewer rocket attacks on Jews. It also kept more cities out of range of qassam rockets. The current arrangement in Gaza has placed Israeli towns that prior to 2005 were out of qassam range, well within range of those rockets. What Israel NEEDS to do is take Gaza back and restore its Jewish population. That would be the best and the most biblical thing they could do, in addition to making Hamas a subject only read about in History books from now on. If Israel gives the West Bank and Gaza to the Palestinians, it will only whet their appetite for Israel itself. They will not stop until Israel is destroyed. That is their stated goal. The Palestinians and the Arab world as a whole has been very straightforward and unambiguous about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick-Parker Posted January 6, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 200 Topics Per Day: 0.22 Content Count: 4,274 Content Per Day: 4.73 Reputation: 1,856 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/17/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/03/1955 Share Posted January 6, 2009 There is no land for peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botz Posted January 6, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 76 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,492 Content Per Day: 0.61 Reputation: 191 Days Won: 18 Joined: 03/29/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted January 6, 2009 Amen Shiloh! Actually the best thing is to expel the terrorist Arabs from both Gaza and Judea and Samaria once and for all, and at the same time level the Mosque monstrosities on the Temple Mount, and kick out the Waqf..and do all of this before world opinion can blink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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