Matthitjah Posted February 6, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 6, 2009 Grace to you, Thanks for the gracious conversation and I never expressed my opinion on whether it was right or wrong I only stated that Mr. Ayala should be released for time served due to extenuating circumstances. Peace, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted February 6, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted February 6, 2009 . . . I only stated that Mr. Ayala should be released for time served due to extenuating circumstances. I'm not one to decide what should or should not be done, but from what the article says, it does look as if he reacted in a moment of rage to the heinous act by the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcampsart Posted February 6, 2009 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 231 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/14/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted February 6, 2009 Grace to you, Thanks for the gracious conversation and I never expressed my opinion on whether it was right or wrong I only stated that Mr. Ayala should be released for time served due to extenuating circumstances. Peace, Dave You may not have come out and made a statement, but the things you said and the verses you posted had a message that was loud and clear. Being a former Marine and being around the military all my life - I know myself. Not only would I have shot him in the head, I would've emptied my clip into him. Then, I would've turned to my fellow troops and handed the weapon over to them without a fight... fully realizing my plight because I know... as the Marines always touted... YOU PLAY... YOU PAY! I agree with RunningGator. It wouldn't have been right for me to take his life in that manner but, unless for an absolute miracle of grace and mercy at that very moment, I know me... I would've exacted retribution on this ignorant creature immediately without the slightest hesitation or remorse. Back in my cell, however, I would've come to my senses and having time to think about my actions, I would've deeply regretted how I handled the situation. Would I regret sending him to HELL so he could burn in 9000 degrees? I hardly think so but I would only regret that I stepped in and disobeyed God almighty himself who said that vengeance belonged to him! I've read stories of Christians who were so persecuted that even their family members were brought before them with threats of their deaths if the Christian didn't recant his faith or position in Christ. I've been amazed that they would not give in but stood firm even as they watched the horrible results for refusing to deny the Lord. I don't know if I could submit to such a threat in faith trusting the Lord will take care of it in his own time. No wonder the scriptures talk so much about our possessing our souls through patience and perseverance!! I picture how fathers of whole families were led into the colosseum tortured in their very minds and souls as to what they should do. Did they grab a soldier's sword and start fighting to the death attempting to defend their loved ones? They would've been justified and morally right in doing so but there was a higher authority who said... "WAIT... VENGEANCE IS MINE... I WILL REPAY!"... saith the Lord! I fully believe that ignorant soul DESERVED to die. Right on the spot! Immediately! I for one would've had no problem with it! In fact, if all my fellow troops decided to turn and look the other way and never bring it up again, I would've had no problem with that either. That is, until maybe later in life because I know that it would've been wrong for me to step into God's domain and authority and taken matters into my own hands. The proper reaction would've been for me to stand there and scream and cry and even bite on something attempting to resist the temptation to blow that coward away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted February 6, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.09 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted February 6, 2009 Grace to you, Thanks for the gracious conversation and I never expressed my opinion on whether it was right or wrong I only stated that Mr. Ayala should be released for time served due to extenuating circumstances. Peace, Dave You may not have come out and made a statement, but the things you said and the verses you posted had a message that was loud and clear. Being a former Marine and being around the military all my life - I know myself. Not only would I have shot him in the head, I would've emptied my clip into him. Then, I would've turned to my fellow troops and handed the weapon over to them without a fight... fully realizing my plight because I know... as the Marines always touted... YOU PLAY... YOU PAY! I agree with RunningGator. It wouldn't have been right for me to take his life in that manner but, unless for an absolute miracle of grace and mercy at that very moment, I know me... I would've exacted retribution on this ignorant creature immediately without the slightest hesitation or remorse. Back in my cell, however, I would've come to my senses and having time to think about my actions, I would've deeply regretted how I handled the situation. Would I regret sending him to HELL so he could burn in 9000 degrees? I hardly think so but I would only regret that I stepped in and disobeyed God almighty himself who said that vengeance belonged to him! I've read stories of Christians who were so persecuted that even their family members were brought before them with threats of their deaths if the Christian didn't recant his faith or position in Christ. I've been amazed at hearing they would not give in but stood firm even as they watched the horrible results for refusing to deny the Lord. I picture how fathers of whole families were led into the coloseum tortured in their very minds and souls as to what they should do. Did they grab a soldier's sword and start fighting to the death attempting to defend their loved ones? They would've been justified and morally right in doing so but there was a higher authority who said... "WAIT... VENGEANCE IS MINE... I WILL REPAY!"... saith the Lord! I fully believe that ignorant soul DESERVED to die. Right on the spot! Immediately! I for one would've had no problem with it! In fact, if all my fellow troops decided to turn and look the other way and never bring it up again, I would've had no problem with that either. That is, until maybe later in life because I know that it would've been wrong for me to step into God's domain and authority and taken matters into my own hands. The proper reaction would've been for me to stand there and scream and cry and even bite on something attempting to resist the temptation to blow that coward away! I agree with everything above, dcampsart. But the guy was not military; he was a civilian contractor and probably subject to local law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcampsart Posted February 6, 2009 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 231 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/14/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted February 6, 2009 Grace to you, Thanks for the gracious conversation and I never expressed my opinion on whether it was right or wrong I only stated that Mr. Ayala should be released for time served due to extenuating circumstances. Peace, Dave You may not have come out and made a statement, but the things you said and the verses you posted had a message that was loud and clear. Being a former Marine and being around the military all my life - I know myself. Not only would I have shot him in the head, I would've emptied my clip into him. Then, I would've turned to my fellow troops and handed the weapon over to them without a fight... fully realizing my plight because I know... as the Marines always touted... YOU PLAY... YOU PAY! I agree with RunningGator. It wouldn't have been right for me to take his life in that manner but, unless for an absolute miracle of grace and mercy at that very moment, I know me... I would've exacted retribution on this ignorant creature immediately without the slightest hesitation or remorse. Back in my cell, however, I would've come to my senses and having time to think about my actions, I would've deeply regretted how I handled the situation. Would I regret sending him to HELL so he could burn in 9000 degrees? I hardly think so but I would only regret that I stepped in and disobeyed God almighty himself who said that vengeance belonged to him! I've read stories of Christians who were so persecuted that even their family members were brought before them with threats of their deaths if the Christian didn't recant his faith or position in Christ. I've been amazed at hearing they would not give in but stood firm even as they watched the horrible results for refusing to deny the Lord. I picture how fathers of whole families were led into the coloseum tortured in their very minds and souls as to what they should do. Did they grab a soldier's sword and start fighting to the death attempting to defend their loved ones? They would've been justified and morally right in doing so but there was a higher authority who said... "WAIT... VENGEANCE IS MINE... I WILL REPAY!"... saith the Lord! I fully believe that ignorant soul DESERVED to die. Right on the spot! Immediately! I for one would've had no problem with it! In fact, if all my fellow troops decided to turn and look the other way and never bring it up again, I would've had no problem with that either. That is, until maybe later in life because I know that it would've been wrong for me to step into God's domain and authority and taken matters into my own hands. The proper reaction would've been for me to stand there and scream and cry and even bite on something attempting to resist the temptation to blow that coward away! I agree with everything above, dcampsart. But the guy was not military; he was a civilian contractor and probably subject to local law. I don't care one iota if he was military, contractor or the tooth fairy! He deserved to die! The point I'm making here is that no matter what I feel about the right or wrong of it... I would not have had THE RIGHT to do anything about it except for what the Army did. They apprehended him, secured him and would have eventually led him away for PROPER action. Even if I would've had to bite on a bullet to keep from slitting his throat, so be it but for me to kill him would've been wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted February 6, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 6, 2009 Grace to you, Thanks for the gracious conversation and I never expressed my opinion on whether it was right or wrong I only stated that Mr. Ayala should be released for time served due to extenuating circumstances. Peace, Dave You may not have come out and made a statement, but the things you said and the verses you posted had a message that was loud and clear. I'm Okay, if your comfortable with that assertion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted February 8, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.09 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted February 8, 2009 Grace to you, Thanks for the gracious conversation and I never expressed my opinion on whether it was right or wrong I only stated that Mr. Ayala should be released for time served due to extenuating circumstances. Peace, Dave You may not have come out and made a statement, but the things you said and the verses you posted had a message that was loud and clear. Being a former Marine and being around the military all my life - I know myself. Not only would I have shot him in the head, I would've emptied my clip into him. Then, I would've turned to my fellow troops and handed the weapon over to them without a fight... fully realizing my plight because I know... as the Marines always touted... YOU PLAY... YOU PAY! I agree with RunningGator. It wouldn't have been right for me to take his life in that manner but, unless for an absolute miracle of grace and mercy at that very moment, I know me... I would've exacted retribution on this ignorant creature immediately without the slightest hesitation or remorse. Back in my cell, however, I would've come to my senses and having time to think about my actions, I would've deeply regretted how I handled the situation. Would I regret sending him to HELL so he could burn in 9000 degrees? I hardly think so but I would only regret that I stepped in and disobeyed God almighty himself who said that vengeance belonged to him! I've read stories of Christians who were so persecuted that even their family members were brought before them with threats of their deaths if the Christian didn't recant his faith or position in Christ. I've been amazed at hearing they would not give in but stood firm even as they watched the horrible results for refusing to deny the Lord. I picture how fathers of whole families were led into the coloseum tortured in their very minds and souls as to what they should do. Did they grab a soldier's sword and start fighting to the death attempting to defend their loved ones? They would've been justified and morally right in doing so but there was a higher authority who said... "WAIT... VENGEANCE IS MINE... I WILL REPAY!"... saith the Lord! I fully believe that ignorant soul DESERVED to die. Right on the spot! Immediately! I for one would've had no problem with it! In fact, if all my fellow troops decided to turn and look the other way and never bring it up again, I would've had no problem with that either. That is, until maybe later in life because I know that it would've been wrong for me to step into God's domain and authority and taken matters into my own hands. The proper reaction would've been for me to stand there and scream and cry and even bite on something attempting to resist the temptation to blow that coward away! I agree with everything above, dcampsart. But the guy was not military; he was a civilian contractor and probably subject to local law. I don't care one iota if he was military, contractor or the tooth fairy! He deserved to die! The point I'm making here is that no matter what I feel about the right or wrong of it... I would not have had THE RIGHT to do anything about it except for what the Army did. They apprehended him, secured him and would have eventually led him away for PROPER action. Even if I would've had to bite on a bullet to keep from slitting his throat, so be it but for me to kill him would've been wrong. Um...I think you misread my post. The guy who shot the bound man was a civilian contractor....not a soldier and, therefore, subject to local law; tooth fairy aside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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