dcampsart

Do you believe in a God that is what you want or do you want to know God as He really is? So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. [Romans 9:16]

If you note in the Gospels, there came a point when Jesus refused to answer the Pharisees and Sadducees and the like. There comes a point where we can recognize a person has stopped their ears to hearing the Gospel and just want to argue. At that point we need to stop playing their game and move on. I have one friend who actually came to Christ because some Christians did just that. He was an avid atheist who took pleasure in arguing down what the Christians had to say. One night when he met them again at their home, they told him to his face they could tell he was arguing for the sake of arguing, had no intentions of listening to them, and that they were done with him, and then forced him to leave the house. It just so happened that the Lord was doing something in his heart at the time, and reality hit him with the rejection and that drove him to find God. This is my position Nebula. I believe the Holy Spirit will direct when the time comes to hold back the pearls. Only he knows who's the swine or dog!

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I know I needed this during this "perfect" season! Thanks...

I know I shouldn't keep throwing my story at every abortion issue but I know that viewing the ultrasound of my fifth baby is what changed my mind completely about whether or not she should be aborted. Please read one of my first posts back when I joined WCF concerning what I feel about abortion.

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Blessings to you riel... she really is full of... LIFE !

You may not have come out and made a statement, but the things you said and the verses you posted had a message that was loud and clear. Being a former Marine and being around the military all my life - I know myself. Not only would I have shot him in the head, I would've emptied my clip into him. Then, I would've turned to my fellow troops and handed the weapon over to them without a fight... fully realizing my plight because I know... as the Marines always touted... YOU PLAY... YOU PAY! I agree with RunningGator. It wouldn't have been right for me to take his life in that manner but, unless for an absolute miracle of grace and mercy at that very moment, I know me... I would've exacted retribution on this ignorant creature immediately without the slightest hesitation or remorse. Back in my cell, however, I would've come to my senses and having time to think about my actions, I would've deeply regretted how I handled the situation. Would I regret sending him to HELL so he could burn in 9000 degrees? I hardly think so but I would only regret that I stepped in and disobeyed God almighty himself who said that vengeance belonged to him! I've read stories of Christians who were so persecuted that even their family members were brought before them with threats of their deaths if the Christian didn't recant his faith or position in Christ. I've been amazed at hearing they would not give in but stood firm even as they watched the horrible results for refusing to deny the Lord. I picture how fathers of whole families were led into the coloseum tortured in their very minds and souls as to what they should do. Did they grab a soldier's sword and start fighting to the death attempting to defend their loved ones? They would've been justified and morally right in doing so but there was a higher authority who said... "WAIT... VENGEANCE IS MINE... I WILL REPAY!"... saith the Lord! I fully believe that ignorant soul DESERVED to die. Right on the spot! Immediately! I for one would've had no problem with it! In fact, if all my fellow troops decided to turn and look the other way and never bring it up again, I would've had no problem with that either. That is, until maybe later in life because I know that it would've been wrong for me to step into God's domain and authority and taken matters into my own hands. The proper reaction would've been for me to stand there and scream and cry and even bite on something attempting to resist the temptation to blow that coward away! I agree with everything above, dcampsart. But the guy was not military; he was a civilian contractor and probably subject to local law. I don't care one iota if he was military, contractor or the tooth fairy! He deserved to die! The point I'm making here is that no matter what I feel about the right or wrong of it... I would not have had THE RIGHT to do anything about it except for what the Army did. They apprehended him, secured him and would have eventually led him away for PROPER action. Even if I would've had to bite on a bullet to keep from slitting his throat, so be it but for me to kill him would've been wrong.

You may not have come out and made a statement, but the things you said and the verses you posted had a message that was loud and clear. Being a former Marine and being around the military all my life - I know myself. Not only would I have shot him in the head, I would've emptied my clip into him. Then, I would've turned to my fellow troops and handed the weapon over to them without a fight... fully realizing my plight because I know... as the Marines always touted... YOU PLAY... YOU PAY! I agree with RunningGator. It wouldn't have been right for me to take his life in that manner but, unless for an absolute miracle of grace and mercy at that very moment, I know me... I would've exacted retribution on this ignorant creature immediately without the slightest hesitation or remorse. Back in my cell, however, I would've come to my senses and having time to think about my actions, I would've deeply regretted how I handled the situation. Would I regret sending him to HELL so he could burn in 9000 degrees? I hardly think so but I would only regret that I stepped in and disobeyed God almighty himself who said that vengeance belonged to him! I've read stories of Christians who were so persecuted that even their family members were brought before them with threats of their deaths if the Christian didn't recant his faith or position in Christ. I've been amazed that they would not give in but stood firm even as they watched the horrible results for refusing to deny the Lord. I don't know if I could submit to such a threat in faith trusting the Lord will take care of it in his own time. No wonder the scriptures talk so much about our possessing our souls through patience and perseverance!! I picture how fathers of whole families were led into the colosseum tortured in their very minds and souls as to what they should do. Did they grab a soldier's sword and start fighting to the death attempting to defend their loved ones? They would've been justified and morally right in doing so but there was a higher authority who said... "WAIT... VENGEANCE IS MINE... I WILL REPAY!"... saith the Lord! I fully believe that ignorant soul DESERVED to die. Right on the spot! Immediately! I for one would've had no problem with it! In fact, if all my fellow troops decided to turn and look the other way and never bring it up again, I would've had no problem with that either. That is, until maybe later in life because I know that it would've been wrong for me to step into God's domain and authority and taken matters into my own hands. The proper reaction would've been for me to stand there and scream and cry and even bite on something attempting to resist the temptation to blow that coward away!

Please read one of my first posts back when I joined WCF concerning what I feel about abortion. I'm sure some have already read it but for those who haven't - tell me if I'm wrong for not caring about anything medical, scientific or political behind the abortion debate. What's important to me is the little one in my life truly represents God's grace and how he adopts us into his family! In fact, she, the little one, interupted my posting a reply in another forum this morning to remind me I had to get her to junior high school. Funny, I was listening to a christian radio station in my jeep while driving her to school that started out with the words... "I choose Christ... I choose LIFE!" Sorry to plant my reply that seems a little off base about the political issues but I wanted to put my $.02 in here.

Please read one of my first posts back when I joined WCF concerning what I feel about abortion. I'm sure some have already read it but for those who haven't - tell me if I'm wrong for not caring about anything medical or scientific behind the abortion debate. What's important to me is the little one in my life truly represents God's grace and how he adopts us into his family!