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I agree with that. And I agree with Nebula about the safety issue concerning speed limits and traffic, but that doesn't mean we should be going as fast as the fastest car on the road. There is nothing unsafe about coming to a complete stop a stop signs however. Isn't that something we should consider? I like to think that the Lord watches everything I do and it always pleases Him when I do the right thing. So if coming to a complete stop or doing the speed limit in most cases pleases Him, that is what I want to do, for no other reason than that.

That would be legalism... Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 1Co 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. 1Co 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God: Who are you putting first when you speed or don't stop at stop signs?

The end of the 69th week is FIXED on the day of the triumphant entry. The prophecy has a specific start, duration and end date. There is no changing them or moving them around to fit your plan. ONE DAY. Psa 118:24 This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it. Jesus said the city would be destroyed because they did not know the day of thier visitation. Luke 19:42 They were told what day it would be, and they were expected by God to know it. As you point on every other occasion when Jesus could have revealed Him self, he did not until one day when he said, "I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out". (Luke 19:40)

Greetings One Way. I'm sure if you ask this of Old Timer he has learned by now that the church is no different than Israel. We are all saints in the same category. No distinction between the two. If they could straighten out their ecclesiology, there might be some hope for them. ps. Old Timer really hit on a brilliant idea. I have been contemplating my own conversion as well. (hypothetical of course) Perhaps it could be that if we start our own debate every one will be so confused they won't know who's who.

Wake up America They are all fakes. They are all liars. PRAY

Well I'm relieved. I expected this to be about color wars. It really is about the moon. Nope, never been there. My dad tried to send me a few times though.

Passover = looking forward = unfulfilled Communion = looking backward = It is Finished Heb 10:7 Then I said, Lo, I come (in the volume of the Book it is written of Me) to do Your will, O God." Heb 10:8 Above, when He said, "Sacrifice and offering, and burnt offerings and offering for sin You did not desire, neither did You have pleasure in them" (which are offered according to the Law), Heb 10:9 then He said, "Lo, I come to do Your will, O God." He takes away the first so that He may establish the second.

The feasts and much more in the OT are types and shadows of which the NT is the substance. While the types have great value for instructive purposes, I should not live in the shadows when I have the full Light of the Substance.

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That is correct. So why did God bother to put that in His law that the king had to do it, when he could fifiteen copies made by someone else? It is something to think about.

The king was required by this passage to make his own copy of the book of the law. He had to personally, physically copy it word for word from the Priests copy. That was to become the copy that he would read all the days of his life. It would be very easy for him to just order a scribe to make him a copy. Just like we buy one in a store, but here he is instructed to make it himself. What I am asking is, should we actually make our own copy of the bible, or at least parts of it. I have considered doing this and also making my own recording of the Bible to listen to in the car and such.

Read it through, write it down, pray it in, work it out, and pass it on." What are your thoughts on this verse? A king could just as easily have a scribe make him copies of God's word as we go to the book store and buy one. The Lord said the King could not do that. He had to make his own copy. It is not recorded that any did that. Is that something we should do? What book would you do first?

I suppose it is possible that God makes an announcement and then produces the effect, in some cases, certainly. It does make predictions like "not a bone of His shall be broken" and "they parted my garments among them" a little difficult, I should think, if He doesn't have to over ride a person's will now and then. 'foreknowledge' in both occurrences (Act_2:23, 1Pe_1:2) is prognōsis. 1) foreknowledge 2) forethought, pre-arrangement I don't think that helps either one of us. It kind covers both sides. The real difficulty I see in this view is that God would be constantly learning, just as we do, as events unfold which would mean that He would be constantly changing as new information comes to Him. Also, God would not know ahead of time the outcome of tests like Job and Abraham offering Isaac. I think in that case, He could be defeated by someone acting in an unknowable way.

You must have missed in One Way's post where he said the 69 weeks ended with the Triumphant entry. That was about a week before He was crucified. The exact ending was knowable to the Jews which why Jesus said: Luk 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation. The meaning of that is that if the Jews had read their Bibles they would have know who Jesus was and the city would not have been destroyed in 70 AD. The flip side of this discussion IMO is what if Jesus requires that same thing of us? To understand our Bibles enough to know He could be coming for us at any time. Many of the Tribulation saints could be just that. Saints the don't believe in the Pre-Trib rapture. Mat 8:13 And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee.

That sums it up for me too. Except for this verse: Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. That will trigger the beginning of the end. But only God knows when that will be.

That is true. I agree. No one need bother with this if they don't desire to. If God is not outside time, how can He know the future? What does the Bible mean when it says: Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: How can there be such things as predestination and for knowledge? 1Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Time has physical properties that function according to mass and velocity. That means it can be slowed down or made faster. A clock in Denver actually runs faster than an identical clock at sea level. The soul, outside of the body has no mass. Time will not have the same effect on it. I

Only two resurections? If Jesus was one, then that leaves us where? The first resurection is to life, but not in one event. The second is to death.

I do remember reading in some book that those who watch and pray may be counted worthy to escape all these things and to stand before the son of man. I hope LaHay didn't say that. Oh, I guess it couldn't have been him becasue I've never read any of his books.

Ok, so we have listened to God's voice and obeyed, we are all out or the city or what ever, now we are to the second issue. What are we there for? The Gospel has gone around the world, before the tribulation started, every one has had a chance to hear it. People of the world have rejected the message from the church, refuse the Grace of God for their eternal slavation and are ready for the final judgement. They still have a chance to get saved through the witness of the 144,000, the two witnesses and angels flying in mid heaven proclaiming the everlasting gospel. Does the church still have a purpose with all this going on? How are you going to testify to someone being tormented by locusts having the sting of a scorpion? Are you going to sing Softly and Tenderly Jesus is calling to him?

Well that would certainly take the edge of uncertainty off the end times, if all the Christians suddenly get a message from God, "I'm in the school with a loaded shotgun. Get out of the building" or something like that.

Lets look at another aspect of this (?) question that bothers me a great deal. Say we do go through the tribulation in these very bodies we are in right now, should we be making preparations like food and water storages, leaving the cities, what? How do you think we will be used by God during that time? I keep seeing this verse used in this context:

We experience time in a strict linear order. We go from a to b to c. It is not possible for us to get from a to c without going through b first. What if that is not necessary when you are out of the body? What if everyone went from the moment in time that they die, directly to Revelation chapter 5. We all appear at the same instant and then have eternity together to revisit the past or do whatever interests us from there on. I don't think that is science fiction.

Just suppose you had one mind, one spirit, but three bodies. The three of you could be off doing different things on any given day, but your thoughts were always those of a single mind. If anyone met one of you, or spoke to one of you they would be meeting and speaking to all three of you because you have only one mind. How do you think God lives in every one of us?

Are there two RIGHTS also? Or maybe there are three rights. The two you mention and the rest of us who are well aware of the other four groups and know enough to not follow, trust, or expect anything good to come from them but are still 'right' or would be if there was a right right to follow and support.