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The Word of God states clearly all of first creation will be burnt up and all knowledge of will be removed... this helps us understand this more fully: 1 John 2:15 (KJV) [15] Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. When God has so clearly defined for us what is being kept and what is ceasing from existence... it is a simple reality to fill ourselves with that which is being kept and removing all that is being removed... this those born of God should do because God has said this: What does it mean that we have eternity in our hearts (Ecclesiastes 3:11)? | GotQuestions.org Ecclesiastes 3:11 (NKJV) [11] He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also He has put eternity in their hearts, except that no one can find out the work that God does from beginning to end. Along with the evidentiary presence of God The Holy Spirit within us... Ephesians 1:13 (NKJV) [13] In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, [14] who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. we are held accountable by God for God within us Luke 12:48 (NKJV) [48] “But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more.

I think this can all be resolved rather simply... there exists only two types of tribulation in Scripture that from the world and satan and that from God. That from God exists from the cursing of the world for sin and The wrath that is coming that has not been since the beginning till that time when it comes as it is like no other in all of histories... That which is from satan is bought upon all who follow after God, whom satan hates... The wrath from God like no other time is clearly revealed by Scripture: What is the Great Tribulation? | GotQuestions.org This wrath has a distinctive of The Wrath of God upon mankind and God promises His people He will not pour it out upon His children 1 Thessalonians 1:10 (KJV) [10] And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

we are not talking about interpretation of God's Word! We are talking about the statement of faith you signed to be here... Do you believe Genesis - Revelation is the exhaustive inerrant and inspired Word from God?

There is a hermeneutic (science) to extract original intent of written material... and it is objective not subjective to the proving of what is true! This is the statement that you signed We believe that the 66 books of the Canon, from Genesis to Revelation are the exhaustive, inerrant and inspired word of God. This means exactly as it is written Genesis - Revelation is equally the inerrant and inspired word of God!

So many try to draw this into a dependent work solution toward salvation... when in fact-> it is reality of the heart that has been reborn into God's keeping! The foundation of truth is such: If one relies on works to save them they are divided out in salvation part God part self... If one relies on God to save them they are unified by God by dependence upon God alone in salvation... fulfilling this: Titus 3:5 (KJV) [5] Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; The fact that works are born out of a new s/Spirit that came about by God's mercy and not by works tells us what John meant: 1 John 2:19 (KJV) [19] They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. There is simply nothing for the born of God to go back to and they will produce works but all their produce may not be kept as from God: 1 Corinthians 3:12 (KJV) [12] Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; [13] Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. [14] If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. [15] If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. As these are children of God and have works that burn up ... means we cannot judge with certainty their works... thus only God knows the heart and He alone is Judge! Satan wants all to rely on anything other than God ... for if your reliance is upon anything other than God, such as, works you will suffer loss but will be tested by the very fire that reveals what is kept eternally!

A works based salvation is dependent upon man... A Grace based salvation is dependent upon God... It is that simple...

To join they have to agree to the statement of faith... when we find they do not we know they have begun on false pretenses... what a testimony to their presence...

@Vine Abider yes this is the statement

As I read this... you clearly are not of the statement of faith you signed to join? Our faith here is the 66 books of The Bible are the inspired Words from God... they cannot be divided out from God's Work in communication to us... All in purpose to know God and what He expects of us in daily walk!

The problem you have is that you have made faith a work... Titus 3:5 (KJV) [5] Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; This above is the foundation of faith, as it is a work of God done by The Son fulfilled in s/Spirit... All that is here has been cursed by God... for it is satan's realm ... God has clearly defined what He is keeping and what He is throwing away: keeping the regenerated souls of men and women forever with Him... throwing away all first created elements and memory of... Now all one must understand is what kept and what is not kept to understand what salvation entails...

Proverbs 6:16 (KJV) [16] These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: [17] A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, [18] An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, [19] A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Seeing how togues is verbal communication this: John 7:45 (KJV) [45] Then came the officers to the chief priests and Pharisees; and they said unto them, Why have ye not brought him? [46] The officers answered, Never man spake like this man.

It is as God has taught us through John 1 John 2:19 (KJV) [19] They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. [20] But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. [21] I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. For the redeemed of God there is simply nothing to go back to ... John 8:23 (KJV) [23] And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. John 17:11 (KJV) [11] And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. [12] While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. [13] And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. [14] I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Once one has been given God The Holy Spirit there is nothing of this world to return to (in s/Spirit that is) Galatians 5:16 (KJV) [16] This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. [17] For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

Gen 10 10 Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood. 2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras. 3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah. 4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim. 5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations. 6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan. 7 And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabtecha: and the sons of Raamah; Sheba, and Dedan. 8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth. 9 He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD. 10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar. 11 Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah, 12 And Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same is a great city. 13 And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim, 14 And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim. 15 And Canaan begat Sidon his firstborn, and Heth, 16 And the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite, 17 And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite, 18 And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite: and afterward were the families of the Canaanites spread abroad. 19 And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest, unto Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even unto Lasha. 20 These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues, in their countries, and in their nations. 21 Unto Shem also, the father of all the children of Eber, the brother of Japheth the elder, even to him were children born. 22 The children of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram. 23 And the children of Aram; Uz, and Hul, and Gether, and Mash. 24 And Arphaxad begat Salah; and Salah begat Eber. 25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan. 26 And Joktan begat Almodad, and Sheleph, and Hazar-maveth, and Jerah, 27 And Hadoram, and Uzal, and Diklah, 28 And Obal, and Abimael, and Sheba, 29 And Ophir, and Havilah, and Jobab: all these were the sons of Joktan. 30 And their dwelling was from Mesha, as thou goest unto Sephar a mount of the east. 31 These are the sons of Shem, after their families, after their tongues, in their lands, after their nations. 32 These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood. KJV God said be fruitful and multiply... God cares for the individual and family... Taking note here: Gen 10:25 25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan. KJV and to here Gen 10:32 32 These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood. To rightly divide God's Word here we must understand that chapter 11 begins with how God divided the nations by language: (Beginning at the time of Peleg...) Gen 11:1-9 11 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. 2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there. 3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter. 4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. 5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. 6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. 7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. 8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. 9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth. KJV As we see here 'the scattering' was important to God- so as God made it happen... Here we see God overriding the freewill of men and inserting His power to causal intent scattered them! Here we see sovereignty and free will in congruence... men chose disobedience, but God's sovereign intent supersedes man's freewill desires and thus the two existing after the fall in the Garden... This very happenstance does not allow for the Calvinistic bent in theology!

Colossians 2:8 (KJV) [8] Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. [9] For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. [10] And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

I know of only one who promotes sin through rebellion....

Gen 9:7 7 And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein. KJV The Lord's words fulfilled at every nuance ... population today... Gen 9:7-19 7 And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein. 8 And God spake unto Noah, and to his sons with him, saying, 9 And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you; 10 And with every living creature that is with you, of the fowl, of the cattle, and of every beast of the earth with you; from all that go out of the ark, to every beast of the earth. 11 And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth. 12 And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: 13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. 14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud: 15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. 16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth. 17 And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth. 18 And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, and Ham, and Japheth: and Ham is the father of Canaan. 19 These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread. KJV God didn't say anything about fire... Sodom Gen 9:20-29 20 And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: 21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. 22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. 23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness. 24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. 25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. 26 And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. 27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. 28 And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years. 29 And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died. KJV There are many suggestions about all this ... however Scripturally this: The only action mentioned was "saw the nakedness of his father" as the action of the brothers were displayed and proper... There exists a moral gate one side the desires not to see the nakedness of any -except the husband or wife... the other side, the immoral side does... it is that simple and to be stationed upon God's Word this and this alone can be deduced!

I think you should read that Revelation passage more closely,..

And what of this in the whole council of God 1 John 4:6-18 (KJV) [6] We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. [7] Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. [8] He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. [9] In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. [10] Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. [11] Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another. [12] No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. [13] Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. [14] And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. [15] Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. [16] And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. [17] Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. [18] There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. Revelation 22:19 (KJV) [19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Because of God’s warnings about His Word … I would think the last thing you would wish to do is to take anything away from God’s Word Revelation 22:19 (KJV) [19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. The point being if God is about this in His last book of HIs Scripture I would conclude He is about the rest ….

With internet and phones this statement above becomes moot and a little sarcastic in my opinion…

I think to ignore God 'is' Philippians 4:8 (KJV) [8] Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. Can't imagine anyone saying- Oh! that horror movie was so lovely

The motive is God's Love placed within us by the Person of The Holy Spirit....

There is enough room in God's eternity for the free will of His image and His Sovereignty... Calvinism says there isn't... when restriction is placed upon eternity it can only come from that which began... For that which began cannot find in himself that which does not conclude... This is why salvation can only be found in God and one must look outside of his self to find it... there is only one path that transverses this reality it is called faith...

Folks we live in an age of information... I have spent thousands of dollars on digital libraries so that I can immediately assemble those puzzle pieces.... I know where to wait as The Scripture takes us no further and where to study because it does... The real issue is the hermeneutic upon which one derives their understanding from the Scriptures and not the Scripture to their understanding... This and the Holy Spirit of God will become this to the man of God: 2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV) [15] Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. The truth should resonate in the reborn s/Spirit of man unless his flesh is in the way....