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Looks like my count is off. One miner to go, but looks like there are 3 or 4 rescuers down there with him that will have to come up as well. The capsule just arrived and they're getting him into it. He'll be on the surface in a few minutes! I can hear the people cheering in the background. It's just so incredible!

One miner and the 2 rescuers left to go! Praise the Lord for this magnificent moment! God's grace is so incredibly amazing!

Honestly I don't mean to sound accusatory here, but it seems you're deliberately choosing to ignore what others have repeatedly pointed out. Palin doesn't seem to be referring to the Biblical Battle of Armageddon, but to a global catastrophe, which is certainly the current popular definition of the word Armageddon. Quoted from the article (and already mentioned once before by an earlier poster, I might add): "It could lead to an Armageddon." Note she says AN Armageddon, not THE Armageddon or simply Armageddon. This is a distinction to me that I see as important. The battle the Bible tells us about is indeed a foregone conclusion. But burying our heads in the sand when faced with a potential threat to the entire world isn't the mark of a good Servant of God. If we'd been using this philosophy all along, we'd likely all be speaking German or Japanese by now, since the horrors of WWII could, certainly, be called an Armageddon. It certainly left its share of scars on the world, especially in those who saw and endured it first hand. What Palin is warning about is not the final battle between good and evil, but a very real threat that we would all be wise to at least be aware of.

I'm a firm believer that we are surrounded by miracles every day. Most of the time I just think we're too harried and rushed to notice. Every miracle doesn't come in the form of a burning bush or a parted sea or a pillar of fire. Sometimes it's as simple as God gifting us with a devotion that speaks directly to a need or issue in our life at that exact moment. Or it's a strange sense that you're driving too fast when you're not even going the speed limit just before a child darts out into the road in front of you. Both of these things happened to me. So the thought of God using a small insect to slow down those two men just long enough for them to avoid being crushed to death is easy for me to believe. Praise the Lord, God is still on the throne!

Awesome! Can't wait to see them all on the surface and reunited with their families! Praise the Lord for His great mercy!

I haven't been as close to the fire as you were, but I've seen one at work and it was an awesome, terrifying sight. I was a child and came home from school one day to an empty house. That was beyond odd. My mother was always there waiting for me. So I left the house and headed out to our barn to see if she might be out there. We had a small 5-7 acre hay field behind our barn and were surrounded by woods. I looked in the barn and didn't see her, so walked around the barn toward the field and that's when I saw it. The fire line was just cresting the hill about midway down the field. The fire was, like you said, a wall easily 20 or more feet high and moving diagonally across the field and woods beside it. I eventually found my mother out in the woods using a green pine branch to try to beat out the small fires that were flaring up. God came through for us as well, though it didn't involve rain. Just when we were convinced that the woods were going to burn, and with them would have gone our house as well, the fire department showed up and cut a massive trench in front of the fire line, then set a back burn. Praise the Lord, it worked. The fire was conquered and our woods and our house, along with the subdivision behind our house, were all saved. God is so amazing. He always knows just how and when to come through for us. I'm so glad to hear that you're finally getting some rain. We are in what they're calling a mini-drought here as well. Down 7 or so inches so far. We've had at tiny bit of rain today, more sprinkles than anything. Not enough to even get the ground wet beneath the trees. But they're saying we might get a little more tomorrow. Like you, it won't be anywhere near enough to reverse the drought, but it might just be enough to ease a little of the dryness. We almost never have brush fires around here. (Indiana now. The fire I mentioned from my childhood happened in Mississippi.) But we've had a few brush fires here recently. Burning has been banned, for the most part, in an effort to prevent any more fires. As I said, I'm glad God is responding to all your prayers. He is good to us, and knows what we need, even when we think we know better. He's always got a plan and moves and works in His time, not ours. Praise the Lord He's moving now for you. God bless, Jenn

Stop it! You're making me hungry. Pepper chicken, anyone?

I agree, Believer. I do have to say that for some, unknown reason, "God-less heathens" struck me as uproariously funny. Might be the chemo brain. Hope no one's offended.

I caught the first story they ran a while back and was so impressed, I told my hubby about it and then we wound up watching it again together later. It was way "cool" as neb said. LOL I just find stuff like that amazing, to imagine the things God has created, possibly for His own pleasure, as this and many other things like it are barely accessible to us. I can only imagine that there must be other amazing things and places out there that we know nothing about and possibly will never know anything about. Like someone else said, I meant to watch this when it came on and didn't realize I'd missed it. Thanks, neb, for the post. I'll definitely catch it when it comes on again.

I'm kinda surprised I haven't seen these verses, yet. Or if I have, I've forgotten, LOL And the Holy Spirit helps us in our weakness. For example, we don

Right there with ya, Sis.

You know, Dave, I think you're missing something here too. They pay $14.00 a week for this miserable pretense at 'health insurance'? I pay less than that for full Blue Cross, life, vision and dental, disability and long term care with a Flex-Ben option in case I don't have cash for a co-pay. My yearly cap is a million dollars with no lifetime cap. This McDonald's farce is NO health plan at all so what in heck are they talking about? I don't like Obamacare either but offering a garbage plan like this won't help anyone. $2,000? My vet bills usually exceed that so what's that going to do for a person? We need health care reform, for sure, but so far no one has come up with a plan that will actually work for the majority. Is health care a right? You bet it is; if one works and pays taxes they shouldn't have to die because they can't afford health care. So then you're a Socialist? Think very carefully about what you're saying sis. It naturally follows that if you work and pay taxes that you shouldn't have to walk or take a cab and the Government should give you a car. You also shouldn't have to do without shelter and shouldn't have to live in a bed bug infested apratment. Therefore, the Government should giove you a house. The problem with this scenario is that in order to do this the Government has to steal from me and give to you. Is this Biblical? If it is please make an argument using scripture to promote Socialism. Peace, Dave You're a "slippery slope" kinda guy, aren't you. That's okay. We all ought to be wary of the potential consequences of any action. I'm not sure it "naturally follows" that making sure everyone who works and pays taxes can afford to provide health care coverage for themselves and their families leads to the things you've mentioned. And I'm pretty sure MG isn't trying to advocate for a national, socialistic health plan. She's saying that it's wholly wrong for someone to work hard every single day and still not be able to make sure their kids can go to the Dr. if they get the flu or a sinus infection. Neither of these is generally fatal, of course, but they're both absolutely miserable. What parent wants to have to sit there and watch their child suffer more than necessary because they can't afford to take them to a Dr. to get them an antibiotic or some other stronger than otc medicine to help alleviate their suffering. I had lots of ear issues as a kid and I can remember how agonizing they were. I shudder to think how much worse it would have been if my mother hadn't been able to take me to a Dr. and get me some medicine. I don't remotely see the "shouldn't have to walk or take a cab" thing. It doesn't make any sense to me. And the "bedbug infested apartment" one is equally far-fetched, but it has another problem. No, the govt. doesn't owe anyone a house. But NO ONE should be abused and mistreated the way many in low-income housing are. Whether it's bedbugs or other vermin, or bad plumbing or no heat, if you're paying rent you have every right to expect your landlord to maintain a safe, healthy environment, whether that be in an apartment or a home. So it isn't the govt.'s job to provide anyone with housing, necessarily, but it is their job to enforce the laws that are intended to protect renters from abusive or crooked landlords. There's no scripture to support Socialism that I can think of. And I would never suggest that the scenarios you put forth were anything but that. But there is Scripture to support caring for others, feeding the hungry or poor, giving of your plenty for those who are without even the most basic needs, of which I believe health care is one. Do I really need to hunt up examples for anyone? I will if you want. (Right now I'm getting really tired. Chemo does that to me. Maybe I'll post the scriptures later, after a short nap, if that's okay.) My problem with any sort of national health care plan is that our govt. has already proven that they are incapable of managing money. They have run all the Socialistic programs that are already in place into the ground, yet want us to trust them to create and manage yet another one, this one larger and more complicated than any that has come before. Sorry, but I just don't want that. I don't believe it is the govt.'s job to penalize the productive for the "good" of the needy. Mostly, I don't believe that anyone who is able-bodied, but just too blasted lazy to go out there and actually work, deserves to be "helped." Well, I could just go on and on. My mouth (or fingers) often doesn't know when to stop. But my brain is failing me. "Chemo brain" is making my eyes blur. I need some rest. I'll come back later, as this topic certainly interests me, and Worthy is a big part of giving me encouragement. I thank God every day for bringing me hear. I absolutely love being able to talk, share, and discuss with all you guys. Just can't do it any more right now. To be continued...

I want to start off saying I don't support Obamacare, either, but I beg to differ with some of what you've said, here. First off, yes, it is illegal for hospitals to deny care. It is not illegal, however, for them to sue you for everything you own if you can't pay for that care. As a current cancer patient, I can assure you that if I did not have insurance I would never in a million years be able to afford my care. ONE medication that I take with every single chemo treatment is over $7000 alone. I'm going to be getting 8 treatments that will require me to have that medication. That's pushing $60000 just for ONE of the meds I require. The chemo itself (which I will actually be taking one form of for an entire year!) and the radiation are absolutely insanely priced. So, I agree that Obamacare is not the right solution. And I agree that hospitals cannot deny a person treatment, but to assume that means everyone gets it is naive. There are thousands of people out there who do not get any health care because they cannot afford to pay for it. Some even die, because they don't think they can afford to go to a hospital. Like you, I have faith in God, but that doesn't mean I'm comfortable ignoring my health, of sitting by and watching others do it. I also happen to believe that God provided us with all the knowledge and benefits that come with health care. I can go to a Dr. to have my broken arm set because God allowed that Dr. to have the knowledge to fix my arm. I am inexpressably thankful for this. Me going to the Dr. in no way means I don't have faith in God, it just means I'm not going to ignore the resources He has given us. To me, if you've got a headache but refuse to take an aspirin, or Tylenol, or ibuprofen or something because you expect God to just heal you outright, you're actually testing God, which we all know is wrong. So take the aspirin or whatever and if it doesn't do any good, then you can start asking God for healing.

Amen And I Amen this, too! And this as well. The Bible says,

Well said!

I agree with the others. (Though after recent events you may - reasonably - not trust my opinion. Sorry about that. ) Anyway, I believe that if you feel uncomfortable with it, then it is the Spirit warning you not to do it & so would be a sin to you. Better to err on the side of caution, I'd say, and stay away.

I really don't want to think about what all those asterisk's are supposed to spell out. I'm pretty sure it isn't something that should be said in polite society, and certainly not something that should ever come out of the mouth of any Christian. Just my opinion. Seems a little uncalled for, especially on a forum like this one. If I'm wrong, please spell it out for me and explain why you didn't spell it out to begin with. You wouldn't get my point if it was tattoo'd on your forehead. You make ridiculous comparisons and ignore half of what I say to push your agenda...so be it. I have the moral high-ground on this because I am not intentionally supporting, or making excuses for, the killing of babies. As far as the "*******" in my last post...lol...I can assure you that it was not any type of foul language. I'm kinda curious as well why it was edited. I love how you can assume that it must have been something too awful for "polite society"...especially in light of the fact that the "polite society" you are bent on defending kills babies...lol. So much for a f.r.e.a.k.i.n' polite society. You can list all the random companies you want (its funny that you think that list is news to anyone who fights the murder of the unborn)...that doesn't erase the point that the Komen foundation is in bed with Planned Parenthood. The founder of Komen served on a Planned Parenthood Advisory Board for crying out loud...and she's not the only Komen Board member to have worked for Planned Parenthood. Several of Komen's Board members have links to Planned Parenthood. Heck, Eric Brinker owns a Planned Parenthood facility! There is a clear, and undeniable link, between the Susan G. Komen Foundation and Planned parenthood. Its not just about money donations. Its about a partnership that pushes a like-minded liberal agenda. The two groups share board members and give each other "humanitarian" awards. They have closer ties than ANYONE else you care to list. The fact that you would attempt to excuse or ignore the Komen groups clear ties to Planned Parenthood by using the "everybody is doing it routine" shows the clear moral divide we have on this issue. We CLEARLY disagree that Komens involvement with one of the biggest providers if infant murder is worthy to be criticized. I started this thread to inform others of that link and to be wary of what cancer groups they support. The founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, said, "The most merciful thing that the large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it". The Founder of the Komen Group won the Margaret Sanger Humanitarian Award...lol. The Susan G. Komen group donates millions of dollars to this group, serves as Board Members for this group, and the Founders son owns shares of a Planned Parenthood Center that happens to be Washington's largest abortion provider. Why are you defending and making excuses for this??? Wow, and still, the only thing you can do is argue that Komen and the NFL by association are evil. Yet you blithely ignore those "random" companies that do EXACTLY THE SAME THING you so despise Komen for doing. Makes no rational sense at all. But then, that is obviously not your goal. You just go right on ahead telling yourself that you've got the "moral high-ground" in this because you're not "intentionally" supporting the killing of babies when you are doing EXACTLY THE SAME THING as the NFL if you do business with any of the businesses I listed. I know that logic is beyond you, but it's real none-the-less. I have no agenda here beyond trying to make you see that you are picking and choosing at will where to direct your anger. Here's the gist of what you are saying: Komen is evil because it supports PP and has ties to PP and therefore must be attacked and boycotted at all costs. But every other company or foundation that donates either to Komen or directly to PP is just fine, irregardless of how much money or resources they may donate, and thus can be "supported" by purchasing their products/services. This makes absolutely no sense to me. It's irrational in the context of this topic as well as more than a little hypocritical. Look, I understand what you're trying to say. You believe that PP and Komen are pushing some kind of liberal, amoral agenda. That's fine. But it makes absolutely no sense to say that, and then to try to pretend that every single other company that donates to Komen and/or PP isn't just as much a party to pushing that agenda. You can try to say they don't have ties that are as close or whatever else you want, but the fact is that if they are funding Komen and/or PP, they are pushing that agenda you so despise. Please don't try to tell me you can't see this! It's not about "everybody is doing it." It's about why aren't you just as angry with everyone who's doing it. This kind of picking and choosing what to call evil is a kind of hypocrisy I happen to despise. That's the point I've been trying to make all along, though you obviously missed that because you're so desperate to blast Komen and PP. And I guess we'll be sharing that moral high-ground, since I have never intentionally supported the killing of babies. I have not made excuses for it, either. I simply tried to make you see that you're using poor logic. Oh, and the polite society I was referring to is everyday human society, which I'm pretty sure I did the exact opposite of defend in my next to last post. Or didn't you read it?

1 Corinthians 14:14-15 V.14 For if I pray in an [unknown] tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. V.15

I really don't want to think about what all those asterisk's are supposed to spell out. I'm pretty sure it isn't something that should be said in polite society, and certainly not something that should ever come out of the mouth of any Christian. Just my opinion. Seems a little uncalled for, especially on a forum like this one. If I'm wrong, please spell it out for me and explain why you didn't spell it out to begin with.

So, here we go: Really? You've never bought a cereal from Kelloggs, or ANY of the thousands of products manufactured by General Mills, or eaten at KFC, Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, or the Olive Garden, (to name just a FEW), or drank any Pepsi product (even if you happen to be in one of the restaurants that doesn't directly support PP), or shopped at Lowes OR Home Depot... My gosh the list just goes on and on and on. THIS was the point I was making in an earlier post when I said you're supporting it whether you want to or not. You responded by asking what I'd do if I had a choice. Well, now you know just who's giving money to Planned Parenthood so I ask you, what are you going to do? You going to boycott every single company on these lists? If you figure out how to do it, please let me know. The bald faced fact of the matter is, God doesn't make the same judgments we do. He sees all sin the same. He doesn't make those convenient distinctions we do between things like, say, little white lies, speeding, walking out of the office with a couple of extra pens in your purse, using your work computer/copier/whatever for personal things (which is stealing, BTW), and adultery, rape, murder, child molestation, incest, abortion. Yeah, just like you, my HUMAN reaction is, "Wait! You can't even begin to compare something like occasionally driving a little above the speed limit or having my spouse/kids tell someone on the phone I'm not home when I'm standing right next to them and something like incest or murder or abortion!" I say that's a moral distinction WE make, not one God Himself either makes or told us to make. God says that if you commit one sin, you're no better than someone who's committed all of them. Yes indeed, it is good when you obey the royal law as found in the Scriptures: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” But if you favor some people over others, you are committing a sin. You are guilty of breaking the law. For the person who keeps all of the laws except one is as guilty as a person who has broken all of God’s laws. For the same God who said, “You must not commit adultery,” also said, “You must not murder.” So if you murder someone but do not commit adultery, you have still broken the law. James 2:8-11 NLT You claim that Planned Parenthood "endorses wholesale immorality." I say they aren't the ones to blame for the wholesale immorality that is overtaking this country, and indeed the world. WE are the ones to blame. Let's take America, because it's where I live. Over 3/4ths of American's CLAIM to be Christian. That means that the overwhelming majority of Americans are supposed to have the basic moral and ethical values taught by the Bible and exemplified in Jesus Christ Himself. Yet, the examples of moral decay that alarm us all have been growing more and more prevalent in our society. I know all kinds of Christians out there who like to blame things like prayer being taken out of the public schools, and abortion being legalized, as well as programs like handing out condoms to kids and clean needles to addicts. Yet I argue that if we, as a supposedly Christian nation, were raising our kids right to begin with, those programs like free condoms, needles, and abortions on demand wouldn't be an issue because virtually no one would be out there to use them. We have failed miserably at instilling even the most basic morality and ethics into our children. All these supposed Christians out there have utterly and completely failed to teach the past few generations any moral lesson of value. We are the ones responsible to teach our daughters and sons that premarital sex is flat out wrong. Period. No being understanding because they're just kids and kids are going to experiment. This would apply to drugs as well. We are the ones who have taught our children that the truth is a matter of perception, and that it only needs to be adhered to when convenient to do so. (That little lie, "tell them I'm not home!" comes to mind.) We are the ones who have taught our children that we only need to be lawful citizens when we aren't in a hurry to get somewhere. Some of this stuff may sound small and trivial, but it all goes back to the "sin is sin" thing. Teach a kid the so-called "little" sins don't matter and they'll naturally slide into thinking the "big" ones aren't so big after all. Planned Parenthood, and all the less than moral services they provide, is not the cause of this "wholesale immorality." It is a symptom of it. We have no one but ourselves to blame for how far down our society is sinking, because it is us supposed Christians who make up the majority of society.

And obviously your illness has lowered your moral obligations to fight the murder of innocent babies. I don't care how ill me (or my wife) ever becomes...we will not compromise our morals by supporting and making excuses for planned parenthood. Oh..and btw..it is idiotic to claim that the NFL doesn't donate to the Komen group. Every single team in the NFL is in partnership with Komen. The ******* founder of the Komen group (Brinker) is an Honorary Captain of the Dallas Cowboys this week...lol. The New England Patriots are having a Komen fundraiser and are donating a laughably small $10,000 to the Komen Foundation next week. The Dolphins, the rams, the Chargers...EVERY SINGLE TEAM...has a special event planned for the Komen foundation...you are 100% wrong to say that this has nothing to do with the komen group. You are twisting my point...and making excuses for millions of dollars being provided to a company that endorses wholesale immorality. There is absolutely NO excuse for supporting planned parenthood, or ANY organization that would give them millions of dollars FOR ANY REASON!!! You don't know me, so I'll explain this to you. I would have made this same argument, with every bit as much conviction even if I had never been diagnosed with breast cancer. Period. You're making moral justifications for your point of view, which is something we all do, but you're doing it with a dogged blindness to a basic truth. Your OP was about how the NFL's participation in Breast Cancer Awareness month funds abortions. This is not only misleading, it's also silly because you attacked the NFL in particular, presumably because you find the pink the players are wearing less than masculine. Why this matters to anyone who isn't actually wearing the pink is beyond me, but that's a whole other topic. (Or maybe you play for the NFL and you don't like having to wear it?) Anyway, you are accusing the NFL of basically holding an abortion fundraiser. Your words. Obviously, that is not what they are doing, but I assume your ultimate point is that if they give a single penny to the Komen Foundation, or anyone else who might then give money to Planned Parenthood, we, as Christians should... what, boycott the NFL? I assume that's what you're trying to say, though you haven't actually provided any kind of answer along those lines. This line of yours, "There is absolutely NO excuse for supporting planned parenthood, or ANY organization that would give them millions of dollars FOR ANY REASON!!!" leads me to assume you are saying that you'd rather be dead than watch an NFL game, or support any company that sponsors the NFL, or Komen, or Planned Parenthood. Because that's what you mean, right? As a Christian, you or I or any other Christian has "NO excuse for supporting Planned Parenthood, or ANY organization that would give them millions of dollars FOR ANY REASON." So you obviously do not do this yourself in any way, shape or form, right? You buy NOTHING and do NO BUSINESS OF ANY KIND IN A ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM from ANY of these companies: * 1 a Minute * 180s * 3M * A&A Optical * ACH Food Companies: Bake for the Cure * Acushnet - Titleist, Cobra and FootJoy Worldwide * American Airlines * American Blue Ribbon Holdings * American Italian Pasta Company * Anchor Bay Entertainment * Anne Fontaine * Ansell Healthcare Products, LLC * Ariela-Alpha International * Arizona AFO * Ask.com * AT&T * ATP Electronics, Inc * Autobiography of SORAYA * avenue * Avery Dennison * Balance Walking by Foot Solutions * Bank of America * BCBG MAXAZRIA and ClearVision Optical * Beemster Cheese * Belcam, Inc * Belk * Bernat * Bernina of America * BIC USA Inc. * Bi-Lo, LLC * BMW of North America, Inc * Boar's Head Provisions Co., Inc. * Boston Warehouse * Bowl for the Cure * Brinker International * California Pear Advisory Board * Cameo Apple Marketing Association * Candy Coburn

Agreed.

Like I mentioned in my earlier post, the NFL Pink program donates to the American Cancer Society, which does research for ALL forms of cancer, not just breast cancer. I have lost a sister to lung cancer and my mother-in-law, who was my best friend, to brain cancer, so while I am currently fighting breast cancer myself, I am by no means devoted solely to its research. I just take issue with the opening post, claiming that the NFL Pink program is funding abortions, which is blatantly untrue, as proven by the links I posted. As to the "out of proportion chunk of attention" that breast cancer specifically is given, well I can't and won't argue with that. I have thought the same thing on more than one occasion. I think a lot of factors go into this, including the incidence of whatever type of cancer we're talking about and the mortality rates associated with it. Prostrate is the highest occurring cancer. Hubby has read that pretty much all men, if they live long enough, will develop prostrate cancer. It's a very slow moving cancer, though, and not overly difficult to treat. Breast cancer is the highest occurring female cancer. The deadliest form of cancer, however, is lung. It is generally very aggressive and moves fast. My sister, for example, was stage 4 when she was first diagnosed. You can get some very general charted stats on the top ten cancers at this CDC site. Lung cancer does have it's own month as well. November is National Lung Cancer Awareness Month. But there are other cancers that are less well known, that don't have a national awareness month, or much awareness at all. This is undoubtedly unfair, but it is also the way things in this world work. What we see and hear about most, and whoever does the best job of promotion gets the most attention. Other cancers are not necessarily being ignored, however. Especially not by the ACS, which is dedicated to researching and finding cures for them all. And, as I said, this is who the NFL Pink program gives its money to, which is what turns the entire premise of this thread into a mistake at best, and a flat out lie if you want to assume the worst.

Ummm...its the law that I must pay taxes. I vote in order to put people in office that won't use my tax dollars to fund killing babies. It is not the law that I must support a breast cancer foundation that financially supports the killing of babies....especially in light of the fact that there are charitable organizations out there that do not support abortion. And yet, as has been said over and over again, they do NOT support the killing of babies. This is a flat out lie, period! You, and the groups that spout this lie, deliberately twist the truth to make it sound as though the Komen Foundation actively supports abortions. If you were remotely interested in the truth you would state the facts, not purely inflammatory statements intended to get a rise out of people. The Komen Foundation provides a tiny fraction of their money to very few programs that happen to be run by Planned Parenthood in locations where there are NO OTHER PROGRAMS THAT PROVIDE BREAST CARE! These funds are legally required to be spent on breast care and treatment alone because this is the way the Komen Foundation wants it. This is not supporting or advocating abortion, no matter how many times you want to claim it is. They have no "liberal agenda" that is plotting to force women to get abortions. They simply want to make sure all women, even those who are unfortunate enough to be too poor to have the CHOICE to go to an clinic other than Planned Parenthood, can have the health care they need. Obviously, you would much rather seen countless women die from breast (or uterine, or cervical) cancer rather than have them visit a Planned Parenthood clinic where they can get testing to find these diseases. You certainly haven't offered ANY other suggestion on that front. No solution for women who are backed into a corner and have to make the choice between their health and their personal, moral beliefs about abortion. No answer for where they are supposed to go when Planned Parenthood is the ONLY option. Because whether you like it or not, there ARE places out there like that. There isn't a free clinic on every corner in America. Believe me, I know because I have been without insurance. People who have their head so buried in the sand that they are unaware of breast cancer are probably not watching NFL football on Sunday. I am trashing the concept because it is a sham. If the NFL really cared about the problem they wouldn't be spending $10 million dollars to fund this pink campaign..called "A Crucial Catch"...they would be donating money. The NFL could easily donate $100 million dollars to cancer research...instead they chose to dress men in neon pink accessories and sell stuff to force the average american to foot the bill. Again, pink is historically a mens color, and I have no problem with the color pink. However, wearing flaming, neon, teenage girl pink to support a group that has donated millions of dollars to planned parenthood...thats a whole different story in my book. Force? Really? A representative from the NFL came into your home, held a gun to your head, and demanded that you surrender your credit card and bank account numbers to "the cause?" Gosh, maybe you ought to call the police about that. I'm pretty sure it's a crime to FORCE someone to hand over their money! Sorry, but this is a ridiculous argument from the get go. Because NO ONE is FORCING anyone to do anything. If you don't want a $250 neon pink sweat band, then you have every right to buy a $250 sweat band in the traditional colors of your favorite team. The fact is, October is Breast Cancer Awareness Month. The NFL (along with hundreds of other companies and organizations - none of which you seem to have a problem with since you aren't bashing them) has chosen to take part in that month by having its players wear pink. The shade of pink is utter irrelevant as it relates to the issue at hand. Honestly, I feel that you don't like it because you think it makes your football heroes look immasculine. That is the ONLY reason I can think of for that whole "anti-masculinity month" comment in your opening post. Because seriously, what does what a bunch of professional sports players wear have to do with ANYONE'S masculinity? That's just plain absurd. But here is the part that I found most interesting. The money the NFL raises by auctioning off the player items and/or selling the pink items in their stores is NOT going to the Susan G. Komen Foundation. Wait, What??? Yep, that's right. It goes to the American Cancer Society and team charities. (Funny how you neglected to mention that.) Nowhere does it say a single word about the Susan G. Komen Foundation. So, basically, your entire opening premise is flat out wrong and the whole Komen for the Cure bit of it is utterly irrelevant. Way to make a mountain out of something smaller than a mole hill, Axx. NFL Pink is no way at all an "abortion fundraiser" as you said. Ultimately it seems that you just don't like to see football players wearing what you term "flaming, neon, teenage girl pink." Baby Pink would apparently be acceptable. Mauve, would apparently be acceptable. Just not neon pink! Oh the humanity of it! I do think that you perhaps owe the NFL an apology. At the very least, you should consider making a retraction about your totally wrong claims about where their "anti-masculinity month" donations are going. Or maybe you just hate cancer research altogether. Because, you know it's all a liberal conspiracy to trick women into having abortions. Oh, and after doing just a few moments of checking, I realized that the NFL Pink items were generally cheaper than the regular items, sometimes by several dollars. I did see one hat that was actually the same price as a traditionally colored one, but then there were bunches of other hats that were quite a bit more expensive.

This is my point exactly. The pink is about awareness. People see it and think, "wow, when was the last time I had a mammogram," or "I need to ask my doctor about having tests done." Or maybe they see the pink and think they'd like to donate to some breast cancer research program, whether it's the Komen Foundation or something else. Because though the Susan G. Komen Foundation started the whole pink for breast cancer thing, it's moved far beyond them now. It's the universal symbol for breast cancer awareness, period. What really got me, though, was the "anti-masculinity month" comment. I just don't get that at all. I see nothing "anti-masculine" about it. The color is just a color used to bring awareness to a specific issue, not some definition of a person. As many of the women on the Cancer Survivors Network will say, they don't wear the pink because they are not cancer. It does not define them. (And I'm talking about year round, not for special events.) We all want to raise awareness about breast cancer, and any other cancer for that matter. I just don't understand why the NFL choosing to play a role in this cause is such an issue. I agree that much of the pink stuff (not just NFL items) is overpriced. And often, far too little of the proceeds actually goes to cancer research. But as you said, it's not just about the money, it's about awareness and you get that free when you see all those football players sporting hot pink! And frankly, I think ALL the NFL stuff is insanely expensive. But then, I'm cheap.