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The doctrine of Bible preservation rests upon two unfailing authorities: (1) the promise of God (Pss 12:6,7; 33:11; 100:5; 111:7-8; 117:2; 119:89,152,160; Isa 40:8; 59:21; Matt 5:18; 24:35; 1 Pet 1:23,25; Rev 22:18,19), and (2) the character of God. God, who has revealed Himself in an inspired Book and magnified that Word to the highest degree, would carefully superintend its transmission. The doctrines of divine inspiration4 and providential preservation of Scripture are important, and they stand in the same position as the doctrines of creation and providence. When one who lives today and can believe the above statement; has no need to do their own translations and promote it as correct and the preserved word wrong.imho

http://www.gotquestions.org/council-of-Nicea.html this is what is meant I believe

judging from her post she is a creature of God

I know it may its just good to them put up a good fight against liberal thinking people whoo hate Christ

you did not get my meaning. I am talking about individuals in last few years have begun to translate their own Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew.

There are individuals that study old languages and decide they have found the correct meaning of a word or verse that has been used for over a thousand years. Then they post this new meaning trying to convince people that they have the wrong understanding because he/she just found the correct meaning and yes my old translation is better than anything written in the last 20 years.

I found this Further, not only is the entire idea of the "Jesuit rapture" irrelevant (only scripture is relevant) but also, the idea is absurd. The doctrine of the pretribulation rapture is simply not taught by the Catholic Church! Therefore, the doctrine of the pretribulation rapture condemns the Catholic Church because it makes the Catholic Church into a "false prophet" since they do not teach it! Yet, despite these self-evident truths which destroy the claims that "the pretribulation rapture is an evil deception because it was invented by evil Jesuit Catholics", there is no shortage of web sites that take this position. You can find many such web sites if you go to a search engine and search for "rapture jesuit ribera". Francisco Ribera was a Jesuit, and he wrote a book on Bible Prophecy in 1585-1590 (?) with the perspective of "futurism". However, Ribera did not invent futurism! The key element of a future antichrist is easily seen in scripture itself and requires no inventiveness of any kind. Ribera simply read 2 Thess 2:3-4 and took the words "temple of God" to mean a literal rebuilt temple in Jerusalem instead of the view of the reformers that the "temple of God" was referring to the Church, because, of course, the body is the temple. (1 Corinthians 6:19, John 2:21) If anything, the view of the reformers was more inventive (requiring a sort of spiritualized substitution of words) than Ribera's view! Additionally, it is far more obvious to see the 1260 days and/or 42 months, of Revelation 12 & 13 as 3.5 years of 1260 literal days than as 1260 years. It takes no evil inventive subversive genius to simply believe what the Bible says! But the view of a future antichrist in a future literal temple is so clearly evident in the scriptures (and not an invented heresy) that it was also taught by men over 1000 years earlier by Church Fathers such as Irenaeus & Hippolytus around 125 AD. You can look those names up in a search engine and find that Irenaeus & Hippolytus interpreted Daniel's 70th week as a future event, with a future antichrist to come during a final period of tribulation. To read Irenaeus, see "IRENAEUS AGAINST HERESIES - BOOK V", Chapter 25, paragraph 4 at http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103525.htm or http://www.ccel.org/fathers/ANF-01/iren/iren5.html or http://www.gnosis.org/library/advh5.htm To read in the Bible about the antichrist to come, see Daniel 7-12, 2 Thess 2, Matt 24, and Rev 12-13. False assumption #1. They assume that the reformers and martyrs, because they died for the faith, must have had an absolutely correct and perfect view of prophecy. This assumption elevates men above scripture. The men of the Protestant reformation died because they fought against revering men, they died for the right of all men to respect scripture more than men. Therefore, putting the prophetic beliefs of the reformers and martyrs up on a pedestal is exactly the opposite of the principle for which they fought and died. If the reformers had the ability and the right to make Christ as their head instead of the Pope, and they trusted the words of Jesus that he would lead them into truth, and they trusted in their ability to read and comprehend the scriptures, then there is nothing stopping us from doing the same thing ourselves. Speaking of the beliefs of the reformers; there were many early English Bible translations before the King James Version in 1611. In at least seven of these early English translations from the 1500's, the Greek word "apostasia" from 2 Thess 2:3 was translated "departure" or "departing", instead of "falling away" as in the King James, or "rebellion" in other modern translations. When the word is seen as "departure", the verse can easily be seen to teach that the departure, or rapture, must come first, before the Day of the Lord is present, or that the tribulation is present. Therefore, this verse, and the early English translations of many of those martyred for the faith, strongly support the position of the pretribulation rapture. But unless one has the perspective that this prophecy is about future events and sees that the Day of the Lord starts at the time of the coming tribulation, then the "pretribulation" implications of 2 Thess 2:3 might be missed. False assumption #3. Often it is assumed or claimed that Francisco Ribera invented the pretribulation rapture. But Ribera did not teach the pretribulation rapture, he primarily taught futurism, and an antichrist to come in the future. Admittedly, yes, Ribera did place the rapture 45 days prior to the end of a 3.5 year tribulation, but not 7 years before. And so, some say he was the first (I don't believe he was, in fact, the first) to split the timing of the rapture and the physical return of Christ. But Ribera's view was more of a form of post tribulation or pre wrath viewpoint where the Church has to go through most of the tribulation.

I could not agree more. It is a book that broadens ones thinking. It can not save someone and it wont send one to hell.

can you show proof of this?

Finally some one stood up, thank you Lord http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/04/05/state-mississippi-has-taken-bold-step-to-defend-religious-liberty.html?cmpid=NL_fntop

there are quiet a few around today that think they know more about the Greek and Hebrew and Aramaic language than the scholars that produced the kjv hundreds of years ago and use their definitions to change meanings of words and verses. its like saying " I know God said he would preserve the word" but it has been wrong for hundreds of years my translations are correct.

I agree Oakwood.

I read them both. I learned from both. I do not think they should be part of our Bible. I do think it would not harm anyone in any way to read them. they both were used in early times I do believe.

a non commercial farmer will shoot the pig 1 inch down from between the eyes and the pig does not know it is coming. hot dogs ketchup chicken and a few other things are also bad

for the same reason people eat chicken after they pick their food from the ground they crap on. for the same reason people et ketchup with ground up worms in it. and because I was my chicken and pork MYSELF before I COOK it.

Thanks it a great web page.

I do drink plenty of water its the most I drink, then coffee then tea, no soft drinks. and the tonic water i may drink 2 or 3 oz a week.

that is why we can not buy it any more. It only come in the tonic water that does not have enough to harm one. unless they drink a lot at one time. In my case my legs cramp up so bad while in bed I have to have something to hold onto just to get out of bed. the cramps lock my toes pointing toward the foot of the bed and can I not get rid of them in bed. When I try to get out of bed I can not stand cause my toes are pointed at floor and I have fallen more than once. Now I have some thing by bed to hold on to so I can put all my weight on my toes to force my feet back into normal position. I tried banana, magnesium. potassium spoke to doctor he did nothing. the quinine helps some. It does not cure and sometimes I just don't want it cause of the bad taste it has. I do not know what else to do.

That is an old remedy that works and one use to buy quinine at a drug stone; but now you can only find in tonic water. I do not like the taste of but it does help.

who is going to know (locally i mean ) if a persone boycotts a couple places

Eph 4 11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: not every one can be one of these, or they would have no one to minister, teach. It could happen that some have the enthusiasm and lack the ability to show it for different reasons. imho

1 Corin 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

but you did in first statement in op

Luke 16 19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: 20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, 21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. 25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. 26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

sounds like United Nations