jasoncran

im sorry, i dont base this on a scripture but principal. if we are to end suffering then lets get saved commit suicide as that isnt a sin then? i know saints who said they were glad they had cancer. they said they had the best time with god and he healed them. they went into your area and said the suffering while was worth it was a lesson teacher on what is important. christians suffer in darfur. i ask you this? if your son was suicidal over his gf leaving him and went into clinical depression and you live in oregon where his shrink said theres nothing i can do. i can end his life and wont suffer. see you assumed that its just terminally ill that do this when without reading a link you didnt know that sucidal teens just that.

because i have lived with ptsd and god told me i had it, in Holland that ALONE CAN MEAN I CAN DIE IF I SO CHOOSE. SINCE WHEN WAS any psychoisis terminal? btw God healed me? your basing your whole argumently thatsi just the old that want to do this when i have shown thats it teens and also adults though not over the age of 40. so what if you dont have insurance or live in a country that SOCIALISED MECIDINE? COST ARE FACTORED IN BOTH SYSTEMS. if you doubt then i guess you havent used your insurance much. that is what they do to make money. its for prophet so that doctor wants a check, what is easier to kill a patient that pays him 50 bucks each time or save em that pays less? that is what i mean. cost to the doctor will affect his advise. my doctor advised my wife one time after her carpal tunnel surgery that she does the rehab at home with a rubber ball to save here money. so if a doctor said to you you have 5 years with your husband with insurance or you can save a ton with him dying tommorow. which would you choose? next whom do you trust.isnt all life terminal? isnt our god able to heal? surely you know that with mentally challenged they have no quality of life and there has been justification to end their lives as we WOULDNT WANT THEM TO SUFFER? SUFFERING HERE is so easily defined that like i said i could end it with ptsd. or a teen who feels lonely and wants to and has the doctor who is willing to convince his parents to let him do it. let me state it better. is it in the bible anywhere what job you are to have , whom you are to marry? if so then show me? is not our life NOT our own? so whom do we trust? God or mans? what if God said your pain will mean one soul will come to him? he does do that. told me that once.

i disagree with your position and i watched my grandfather on his death bed as two weeks later he died from his colon failing him as he lost too much blood from it and it was due to his brain forgetting how to run the thing. that is what alzhemiers does to you and see that link and read it all it mentions doctors advising suicidal teens to end it. is a terminally ill patient able to end their life by consent? i dont think that it wise to allow it. see the studies and the dangers of holland are very real. http://www.patientsrightscouncil.org/site/not-for-adults-only/ its happening and did. that is too much power.

heres a list of arguments against euthansia http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/euthanasia/against/against_1.shtml http://www.inplainsite.org/html/euthanasia.html i disagree. some soldiers talk about not feeling better then a mass murderer. i dont feel that i would want to cross that line.im sure if a doctor who has killed many a patients probably would feel the same. once you cross this line about death. human life is meaningless. i know soldiers who have "hunting collections" of their kills. seen one first hand!

let me ask it this way.. is it murder then for the patient who is told by his doctor that he has terminal illness such as demetia? which include parkinson and alzheimers? think hard as the doctor has to actively (not passively) stop the major organs from working theres the difference.

key words here: the doctors KNOW that the patient is terminal and [the patient] has CHOSEN TO DIE. an advanced directive, aka living will, that includes the orders not to prolong life by way of life support has essentially asked to be allowed to die. why then is it different for someone who is terminal but for whom life support machines are not an option? and a DNR is not exactly the same thing. a DNR means do not bring back to life after the person has already died. euthenasia as decided by the state without the consent of the patient is wrong, of course. but euthenasia at the patient's request, IF that person is terminal and suffering, is a whole different ball of wax. and again the question is... on an issue where GOD is silent, why do people take it upon themselves to condemn? why do people think they have the right to put words in God's mouth where He did not speak them? and not only put words in God's mouth, but then to condemn those who disagree by judging them to be going to hell in a hand basket? where God is silent, it is an issue left between the individual and God. if the individual believes for himself that it is wrong, it would certainly be a sin to do it anyway. the same as anything else... if someone believes playing Uno is wrong because it is cards, then they shouldn't play. if one believes eating pork is wrong, they shouldn't eat. if someone believes a glass of wine is a sin, then they shouldn't drink. but since God doesn't say any of those things is wrong for all people, then nobody has the right to determine for someone else if it is a sin between them and God. so you wouldnt mind your doctor who is paid to kill you mother if she ask for it. and well killing it is as he has to inject something to stop that heart. a dementia patient doesnt just all at once die from organ failure. that is what i mean. also insurance companies and the goverment who bases mecidicine often on costs will decide its cheaper. that is what i mean and dr.kevorkian did just that! was a he murderer then? yes by god definition of murder he was. otherwise i could grant death wishes to the sucidal teens that i come across as they asked me to kill them as they were depressed. that is what the state wants to do. force you to decide to end it by allowing doctors to kill you for diseases as they see as terminal. and depression for some is indeed surfering. if you doubt perhaps try talking to them that have it. i should also thrown any psychosis which isnt cureable and that does cause major problems and the patient has boughts of depression. i asked god if i had alzhemiers as my grandfathers who had it if i could end it if i was told. god told me what am i not able to cure it? that stopped that for me. letting one die and killing one who asked for it are really two different things. sorry i dont feel fallen men , particuliarily secular humanists who also argue that babies who are born to poor families shouldnt be born but aborted, should have that power. kinda violates that do no harm oath they take. the problem here is that in holland 12 yr olds were put to death for chronic diseases but nonetheless not deadly.its cheaper for the insurance company to put to death then cure the patient in all case of illness. a 10 vial of the stuff can obtained from any vet supplier. one drug to make em sleep and another to stop that heart. same meds in fact!

the problem with minimum wage is the the places that pay them and all business up their prices to pay that wage. so nothing happens. been there in the state of louisana.the military industrial complex includes NASA as that is on the cape caneveral afs. so lets see cut science and reasearch on global warming for schooling and entitlements that makes sense. and yes they are seperate budgets but they do share costs by sharing facilities. nasa uses military pilots for astronauts and aircraft.

ok so what if they have these? dementia. parkinsons and alziehiemers. to NOT to actively kill them will mean they die from organ failure as with my grandpa on my moms side who died in the fetal position. if that isnt painful then what is? so then the doctor must then murder these. no if and or buts. a do not resusitate isnt euthanisa that is when the doctors know that patient is terminal and has chosen to die and not be revived as their life is already short both me and my wife have on in our living will.

And the Khoran COMMANDS them to PRETEND to be friendly, in order that you come to trust them and they can more easily kill you. UNTIL YOU READ THE KHORAN, you don't know what you're up against. Are "all muslims that bad?" I don't remember saying 'all' at any time, so you are setting up a straw man of something we never said. I don't know if you are doing this deliberately, but it is a typical tactic of the Left, andalthough used by the Left for about a century (as per V.I. Lenin originally) it is codified also is Saul Alinsky's book RULES FOR RADICALS, which Alinsky dedicates to sATAN. Indeed there ARE 'moderate Moslems;' they are the ones who have switched from full auto to single fire. sir, i was in country and i lived with muslims in our compound. we worked Together to make afghanistan better place. did i say all of them were friendly.NO. and i know what im up agianst. but well reading body and actions will say alot to me. just because somone has id card and an acu doesnt mean that i can and should trust them. solider rape and assault each other in afghanistan http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2012/0119/Pentagon-report-Sexual-assault-in-the-military-up-dramatically im in that class of victims as i was assualted by a sgt myself years ago. or should we ammend the constution to say congress shall deny rights to all non christians.? its an irrating game here, but what is your life yours or HIS? its like this to this solider and all that have been across the pond and served. when obama said the war over in iraq and yanked the troops out the majority must come to terms with that their buddies that died or they themselves served for nothing.that is when i had to come to the conclusion that im not my own but HIS. death for me isnt something i fear but neither do i go look for it. God is in control. there are loyal muslims in uniform and some i have served with. sure we have traitors but its not they hold a sign up and say hear im a terrorist. or does the idea of guilty until proven innocent sound good. should we then hold americans without trial just because they are muslim or a right wing extremeist, a eco terrorist and suspect of any terrorist group without cause. personally i prefer profiling but use wisdom when doing so. jesus said be gentile as a dove but wise as a shrew. that is my approach with islam in america. i let the paid experts deal with the problem and report what i see to them.

yes but what if theres just one christian there telling them muslims of the lord and some do repent. are these worthy of murder?i doubt it would destroy that faith. they would take revenge. if that is the case then why didnt judaism die when ad 70 occured or the shoah. it didnt. and it doubt that would work with islam. remember they embrace martydom and as a jew you know that the feasts and holidays are of survival and how the world killed the jews and yet we lived. islam would merely take the same approach.

Keep in mind that both Ali and Malcolm X were members of "The Nation of Islam" that was started by a guy named Fad or something like that, and was replaced by Elijah Mohammad who claimed to be God at one time. This is more a black supremacist organization than true Islam. It was an exclusive black only organization. Malcolm X made his Hajj to mecca and when he returned he tried to get the rest of the Nation of Islam to understand that there were all kinds of people involved in Islam and it was not a black only thing. He moved away from Elijah Mohammad and formed his own small group and was killed for it. We can't nuke them all for even in countries like Iran, they are turning to Jesus by the hundreds and sometimes thousands...... There are three mosques in I believe it was Uganda where the local cleric became a Christian and his whole flock came with him and they turned the mosque into a church. We've been asked not to talk about locations for obvious reasons. Islam is growing in the US, but in other countries they are coming to Christ. Are all Muslims bad....... personally I don't see that, but they, because of Islam, are potentially that bad, and you really don't know which of them is, and when any one of those who are not that dedicated may well decide to become dedicated. I've studied Islam and Sharia enough to understand that it is the responsibility of every Muslim to make the entire world submit to Allah and live under Sharia Law. And do whatever is necessary to make that happen even to death and/or loss of all wealth and live in poverty. Concerning Jihad, not all people are allowed to participate at one time, and it is not mandatory for all "IF" there are enough to carry out the Jihad without everyone participating. Otherwise it is mandatory for all. According to Sharia, if an Islamic country itself is being invaded or in danger of loosing it's Islamic identity, then ever women and children are required to join Jihad. They are also instructed to lie to you about their religion if it is to protect themselves physically or for the case of Jihad. How many of them just proclaim to be Muslim so that the true Islamics don't kill them isn't knowable in my opinion. But we must not just kill them all for they are becoming Christ followers and often at the expense of their own lives. welcome to the world of the soldiers in afghanistan.i will also say that we could have them sent to us so that they may know christ in america.let me say that i have some stories where muslims dialogued with me about jesus and also i have helped a few of them when i was there.

the lack of definition of the enemy can be pointed to barack obama.

im curious if all muslims are that bad? then why not push for the nuking of them all? make sense to me if we are to take all of them that way. yet when i was in country its a mixed bag with them. some didnt care if i was a christians and liked me others i dont know. muslims have been in the us since at least the 60's or earlier. mohammed ali was the earliest to make fame.that and malcom x.

cough the anglican church gave the world the kjv bible. king james was very anglican. that said.. man well god is god and those that are in him and are so will always be in him if they so choose.

Could work if the current corruption that tends to rear its ugly head in tribal politics could be eliminated, and the court preference in matters pertaining to the tribes be toned down. They would never go for it though. LoL why should tribal politics be any different than US politics? Lol oh its really bad. Its third world dictatorship at times. not to mention that if an american works there as isnt an indian they can be fired for no reason and replace with an indian from that tribe. or that discrimination of this sort is legal. that is how the cherokee(east) does it.

what a GREAT IDEA, Joe. nice.

well the jews when they did the torah did treat women and children like what you said jesus changed. i have evidence on this as the torah(imho) was given to isreal for that purpose. that is, to make them a holy nation unto GOD.

google the khazari jew theory and theres an article that i have used that will debunk that easily. its true that the khazars in small number converted but the jews of today are who they say they are. they are three types of jews. shephardic, ashkenazi, khazar. I'm ashkenazi. shephardic is a jew from spain. each of these has a dialect of hebrew.(ie hannukah vs channukah) the later is ashkenazi. http://www.examiner.com/article/the-khazar-conspiracy this link will be most useful. i have more on this as i have debated anti-semites from time to time.

yes most americans want the free stuff. i saw this today at a lawnmower shop

help those who cant help themselves. i agree. sadly america and the west have forgotten that.

i wasnt aware that he is gay. why am i not suprised.

so the church should back socialised medicine? it should also send money to that and also the U.N. NGO's? that is what i meant by social justice.im for what mlk and wilberforce did. but they did it without compromise. what is taught today is that we should join with the sinners to help the poor. i disagree as well the sinner wants abortion and condoms as part of that plan.

in social justice the gospel is always compromised. i cant go along with that.

Good answer "Remember the Alamo" lol oldzimm though to address this, it goes back to time and place-defending ones country from terrorism, isnt necessarily what I would call persecution, nor defending yourself from the guy breaking into your house to kidnap your kid in the middle of the night-chances are they dont even care whether your a christian or not. Neither does that car jacker. . .there is a difference between someone putting a gun to your head and saying "give up God or else" and someone putting a gun to your head and saying that their taking your kid away from you just cuz they want to. Actually it was a simple answer to a simple question, a person(s) doesn't have to be persecuted in order to be called a martyr. God is outside of time, so way should I stick to the present to give an answer. The Battle of the Alamo is a good example of armed men becoming martyrs. The Battle of the Alamo was a 13-day siege by the Mexican Army (February 23 – March 6, 1836). The Mexican Army had 2400 men, the Men at the Alamo numbered 260 at best. The men at the Alamo were given a choice to leave or stay and surely die. The men knew that the longer they could hold off Santa Anna's Army, the more time the Texan Army had to muster up more recruits. If my memory serves me right, all the men stayed and all but two died at the Alamo. The brave men of the Alamo were a good example of what Jesus said in John 15:13. English Standard Version (ESV) Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends. So were the men at the Alamo martyrs? You bet they were, When Sam Houston's Texan Army attacked Santa Anna's Army in April 21, 1836, at the Battle of San Jacinto, the rally cry of the Texans was "REMEMBER THE ALAMO". Santa Anna's Army didn't stand a chance, I believe they were caught by surprise and the rest is history, Texans won their independence. Bottom line, The Texans were greatly out numbered in their fight for independence, I truly believe that is was by God's grace they won. God played a big role in the freedom of Texas. The exact same thing can be said about the USA's battle for independence. president lincoln, then a senator, said that was an illegal war that we started. we invaded that mexican soil. lol a RON PAUL OF THAT ERA.http://lincoln.lib.niu.edu/biography4text.html

why am i not suprised.